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bug#24287: Process filters received stderr output, not documented
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Clément Pit--Claudel |
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bug#24287: Process filters received stderr output, not documented |
Date: |
Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:47:16 -0400 |
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On 2016-08-22 14:23, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: "Paul A. Steckler" <steck@stecksoft.com>
>> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 13:35:25 -0400
>>
>> The documentation for Process Filter Functions mentions that process
>> filters receive the standard output from their associated processes. It
>> does not mention that the filters also receive standard error output.
>
> That is described in the parent section:
>
> It is impossible to separate the standard output and standard error
> streams of the subprocess, because Emacs normally spawns the subprocess
> inside a pseudo-TTY, and a pseudo-TTY has only one output channel. If
> you want to keep the output to those streams separate, you should
> redirect one of them to a file—for example, by using an appropriate
> shell command.
Hi Eli,
Am I misunderstanding something? This section sounds misleading, at least for
Emacs 25 (I'm not sure about Emacs 24). The documentation of make-process
(which is new in Emacs 25, right?) says:
:stderr STDERR
Associate STDERR with the standard error of the process.
STDERR is either a buffer or a pipe process created with
‘make-pipe-process’.
The docstring of start-process was updated accordingly:
If you want to separate standard output from standard error, use
‘make-process’ or invoke the command through a shell and redirect
one of them using the shell syntax.
Both of these suggest that the impossibility that the manual mention only
applies to the pty case (the manual recommends against using PTYs for
non-user-facing processes anyway). What about something like this:
It is impossible to separate the standard output and standard error streams
of a subprocess spawned inside a pseudo-TTY, as pseudo-TTYs have only one
output channel. If you want to keep the output to those streams separate,
you should either use `make-process' with the :stderr argument, or redirect
one of the streams to a file—for example, by using
start-process-shell-command with an appropriate redirection.
Additionally, we could update the documentation of make-process: right now, it
starts with "This function is like ‘start-process’, but takes keyword
arguments.", but from what I understand it can actually do more than
start-process. What about this:
This function is like ‘start-process’, but takes keyword arguments, and can
separate output to standard output and standard error.
Btw, was there a way in Emacs 24 to separate these streams if the process was
run after setting process-connection-type to nil? (I can't think of one).
Cheers,
Clément.
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