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bug#16015: 24.3.50; newline indents in shell script mode


From: Jarek Czekalski
Subject: bug#16015: 24.3.50; newline indents in shell script mode
Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2013 09:24:25 +0100
User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1

Let me be a standard user first. I fire the "newline" command, not "newline-and-indent". The default -Q behaviour should do what is written in the documentation of the product. Now it is not. This is a bug.

Now a longer background, I wished I didn't have to write it.

I know long discussions about "Default behaviour of RET." and "electric-indent-mode: abolition of `newline' function is not the Right Thing.". Their outcome was as follows: 1. The author of the change wanted to make programming modes indent on RET by default
2. They did it in a wrong way

Nobody argues with 1. Many people have objections about removing the functionality of the "newline" command, that is point 2. I also didn't object until I found out, that you did it by default. Please do the change in an acceptable way. There were many suggestions how to make RET indent without achieving unreasonable documentation contradiction.

The least acceptable fix IMO is placing the following string in the docs, presumably at the beginning:

"newline is a deprecated command and now it is an alias of newline-and-indent in programming modes. If you want the old newline behaviour please use ... instead."

The other acceptable way (still not very good) is to introduce a new function newline-without-indent, because then it's easy to place it in the docs (the first suggestion) and find by a user through C-h f newline.

A good solution may be found in the threads I mentioned. One of them suggested by Richard Stallman:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-10/msg00701.html
Supported by Stephen J. Turnbull
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-10/msg00732.html
And here is the summary of the discussion which is what I described in points 1 and 2, by Josh:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-10/msg00724.html
And everybody knows that the strongest opposer to the new change was the author of the thread, Alan Mackenzie. But I always prefer to show that the author was not the only believer.

Seems like you ignore these people's opinions, but at least you should not ignore this bug report. The first paragraph proves that this is a bug. Are you able to deny it?

Jarek






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