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Re: [Tlf-devel] Fw: Autosend feature - first tests


From: Thomas Beierlein
Subject: Re: [Tlf-devel] Fw: Autosend feature - first tests
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:16:25 +0100

Am Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:09:57 +0000
schrieb FS <address@hidden>:

> I can confirm the it works very well! Congrats! I like that TLF sends 
> the TU message after correcting the call with Backspace. And yes
> please deactivate it for S&P.

Very well. I am glad we found a good working solution.

73, de Tom
> 
> Now I have to find a way to RUN from Germany with Low Power to use
> the feature extensively. That's the hardest thing :-).
> And CQWW is
> close...
> 
> 73 Fred
> 
> On 11/12/2013 10:27 AM, Thomas Beierlein wrote:
> > Fred,
> >
> > a configurable timeout is an option. Adding that option is quite
> > some work - shall it be configured from the logcfg.dat or from
> > command line? When should a change be allowed, ....
> >
> > For the moment I am interested if we got the main functionality
> > right. You can change the timeout in the code for testing, but sure
> > that can not be the final solution.
> >
> > One problem with slow typers: You will get pauses in your cw signal
> > if you use some speed. Maybe best would be to adapt that timeout to
> > the cw speed.
> >
> > 73, Tom DL1JBE
> >
> > Am Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:48:40 +0000
> > schrieb FS <address@hidden>:
> >
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> what about to make this 0.7s configureable? This would give
> >> headroom for the slow typers, as well as make it useable with
> >> different speeds.
> >>
> >> 73 Fred
> >>
> >> On 11/12/2013 09:08 AM, Thomas Beierlein wrote:
> >>> Sorry, forgot to send a copy to the list. Here it comes.
> >>>
> >>> Tom DL1JBE
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Datum: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:07:03 +0100
> >>> Von: Thomas Beierlein <address@hidden>
> >>> An: address@hidden
> >>> Betreff: Re: Autosend feature - first tests
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Martin,
> >>>
> >>> Am Tue, 12 Nov 2013 00:33:09 +0100
> >>> schrieb Martin Kratoska <address@hidden>:
> >>>> there is something strange. tlf does not see now hamlib, so no
> >>>> radio control :-(
> >>>>
> >>> Maybe you forgot the '--enable-hamlib' in the ./configure stage?
> >>>
> >>>> The Autosend option works but not exactly as meant. The auto
> >>>> sending begins with the character count as set with :char
> >>>> command, this is OK. Setting :char to 4 actually moves the
> >>>> cursor to the exchange field while tlf is sending 2nd character.
> >>>
> >>> That depends a little on your typing speed. But you are right. It
> >>> moves to the exchange field as soon as you stop typing.
> >>>
> >>> The reason for this behavior is that we can not do the same
> >>> handling as in TRLog. As TRLog sends the CW characters itself
> >>> (integrated keyer) it knows exactly how far it is with sending the
> >>> already typed in characters and when it catches your typing.
> >>>
> >>> For us using cwdaemon, the usbdaemon or Andys winkeyer daemon
> >>> means we can send out the characters to the keying daemon but get
> >>> no feedback how far it is with sending and therefore we have no
> >>> information when the daemon catches your typing.
> >>>
> >>> So I suggested to use a timeout instead. As soon as you stop
> >>> typing (atm after 0.7s) it assumes the call sign is complete and
> >>> then it switches to the exchange field. It fear it is the best we
> >>> can do without doing the whole keying stuff in tlf itself.
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas how to come around that are welcome.
> >>>
> >>>> Therefore the op has not
> >>>> time till 4th character is finished, here I have time actually
> >>>> only till 1st character is completed.
> >>>
> >>> Not quite. As described above you have 0.7 seconds for each
> >>> character you want to type.
> >>>
> >>> 73, de Tom DL1JBE
> >>>>
> >>>> 73 Martin, OK1RR
> >>>>
> >>>> Dne 11.11.2013 13:35, Thomas Beierlein napsal(a):
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I just finished the first quick version of the new autosend
> >>>>> feature.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please download the zip archive from
> >>>>> https://github.com/Tlf/tlf/archive/autosend.zip unpack it and
> >>>>> then change to the directory.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 'autoreconf --install'
> >>>>> './configure ....'
> >>>>> 'make'
> >>>>> 'make install'
> >>>>>
> >>>>> should build it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Some comments:
> >>>>> - Set autostart with ':char' as before (0 - off, 2..5 sets, ESC
> >>>>> keeps old value)
> >>>>> - timeout is 0.7s (enough if you get a hiccup while typing,
> >>>>> short enough to work even at 30 wpm and very short calls
> >>>>> - call will accept also '/' and '?' characters
> >>>>> - you can stop with ESC as before
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please test and report back.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think autosend is only useful in RUN mode. I will block it for
> >>>>> S&P if you aggree.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 73, de Tom DL1JBE.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am Sun, 10 Nov 2013
> >>>>> 16:38:47 +0100 schrieb Fred Siegmund <address@hidden>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Indeed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 73 Fred
> >>>>>> Am 07.11.2013 21:25, schrieb Martin Kratoska:
> >>>>>>> Excellent! You hit the nail, Tom!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 73,
> >>>>>>> Martin, OK1RR
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dne 7.11.2013 21:13, Thomas Beierlein napsal(a):
> >>>>>>>> Ok. Lets summarize:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - autostart after 2..5 characters (configurable)
> >>>>>>>> - shorter calls have to be finished with the normal ENTER
> >>>>>>>> - as soon as autosend starts there will be no chance to edit
> >>>>>>>> bad characters, all you type in will be send
> >>>>>>>> - start sending exchange after a keyboard timeout (100..200
> >>>>>>>> ms)
> >>>>>>>> - only alfanumerical keys (and ENTER) accepted  after
> >>>>>>>> autosend starts
> >>>>>>>> - SPACE and DOWN will no longer start autosend
> >>>>>>>> - SPACE will toggle cursor between call and exchange input
> >>>>>>>> field
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 73, de Tom DL1JBE
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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