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Re: [Swftools-common] SWFTools Wiki

From: Pablo Rodríguez
Subject: Re: [Swftools-common] SWFTools Wiki
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:00:51 +0200
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Hi Chris,

I think it is essential to contact Matthias as soon as possible. So it
will be clear which is the current project status. It would be great, if
you could contact him.

As far as I can see, the git version from Ricardo seems to be an
outdated version, rather than a forked version from Matthias.

We already spoke about this in the past. We need a central site from
which to manage everything related to swftools.

Although this is a minor issue. The real issue is to find a group of
developers that want to take over swftools. I cannot code.

I see two main features to be implemented in swftools:

- LZMA compression for Flash files.
- Ogg Vorbis decoder (or Opus decoder, once enabled in Flash).

This is besides the bugs that have been reported to this list. I’d be
happy to help with those, but I cannot contribute code.

But having a clear statement from Matthias would help to start moving.

Chris, I’d (and I think all of us would) really appreciate, if you could
contact Matthias to clarify the situation of the project.

Many thanks for your help again,


On 09/14/2014 03:51 PM, RDP wrote:
> Hi there Pablo,
> Still out there I see. How's it all going? ;o)
> To be fair I have done very little with the wiki, other than keep it
> ticking over!
> I agree with you entirely in respect of the dearth of activity. That was in 
> fact
> the major reason for my post.  Some confirmation of the current status from
> Herr Kramm, would indeed be very useful!  Maybe he, like most of us, has
> better and/or more importat things occulying his mind and time?  ( I believe
> I had a contact number for him at one stage.. I could maybe go direct!   )
> Hosting is no great shakes, at least for now.  I am moving the small amount
> of stuff I still maintain ( entirely non-commercial at present )
> elsewhere shortly.
> When I do so, the wiki, and all it's associated content will/ have to
> go as well.
> The IP for wiki.swftools.org will change, so Matthoas qill need to make the
> appropriate amendment to the dns setings for swftools.org
> To the best of my knowledge, there are two git versions of swftools.  The
> official one maintained by Matthias himself, from which the wiki version is
> regularly cloned and made viewable with ViewGit,
>      http://wiki.swftools.org/viewgit
> and that ( a flork?) by Ricardo Pedroso,
>    https://github.com/rpedroso
> However, search for swftools on GitHub, and you'll find more than a few other
> variations on a theme to choose from!!
> Implementing a bug tracker, the wiki, and a few dozen other things the
> project could maybe do with, to give it the necessary lift, is no great
> shakes,really.  I'm also happy to continue hosting it, at least for now.
> However, maintaining, patching, and updating is another kettle of fish.
> To my mind, the project needs more of a community, and some serious
> core code maintainers to review and implement any patches, rather than
> just the odd one or two people.  I'm simply not that familiar with the code
> base myself.  Merely an inveterate and occasional meddler. ;o)
> What I'm really after is information and elucidation as to the direction
> of this project, that is if it is going anywhere.at all!, along with a show
> of hands and ideas from any interested parties, commercial or otherwise.
> Commercial usage could also provide micro-donations toward the cost of
> the project upkeep, and incentive to those with the knowhow, aka some
> core developers, to make any necessary amendments and patches.
> I hope that makes things a little clearer? ;o)
> Regards,
> Chris.
> On 14 September 2014 11:53, Pablo Rodríguez <address@hidden> wrote:
>> Dear Chris,
>> sorry for the late reply.
>> Thank you for your work with the wiki.
>> To your last question, I’d move the wiki to GitHub if it costs you money
>> right now.
>> I think there is a more relevant issue here. swftools are unactive for
>> more than a year.
>> -Lastest commit in master was from Thu Jul 25 19:49:07 2013 -0700.
>> -Lastest message from Matthias to the list was from Wed, 14 Aug 2013
>> 16:36:56 -0400,
>> -In a message to the list from Fri, 2 Aug 2013 16:55:28 -0700, Matthias
>> states that there is a branch that would replace xpdf with poppler. In
>> the public git (I have just cloned), there is no other branch than master.
>> Sorry if I’m missing something. I’m not a fan of GitHub, but I think it
>> could help here. At least to track bug reports. Having them in a mailing
>> list is the best way to forget them.
>> Even if the GitHub repository contains no code, it would be useful to
>> host the wiki and to have the issues organized at one place.
>> Just in case it might help, I have just created the swftools
>> organization there [I can transfer it to anyone who wants to have it, or
>> I could simply delete it]
>> What do you think about this, Chris?
>> I hope this helps to clarify the situation.
>> Cheers,
>> Pablo
>> On 09/13/2014 11:00 AM, RDP wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>> The SWFToolls Wiki has been hosted ( and partially maintained ),  by
>>> myself for a considerable period.  What seemed like a good idea at the
>>> time, now possibly is no longer.  Changes have to be made, both to
>>> wiki's location, it's general structure and content, and, more to the
>>> point, it's actualy survival as a web
>>> resource.
>>> A few points to note,
>>> - The SWFTools  software suite itself appears to have been put in 
>>> mothballs, as
>>>   there have been no updates for a considerable time, last was 9th April 
>>> 2013
>>> - TheSWFTools does not appear to have forged many, if any, links with other
>>>   projects from which all could easily, and mutually benefit
>>> - the wiki itsef has also not been updated/amednded in a considerable
>>> time.  Very
>>>   poor community spiriiedness.it would appear!  It's simply not a one
>>> person job!
>>> -  credit should hereby go to one unsung, and very probably hitherto 
>>> unnoticed
>>>    wiki user, Cthulhu.fhtagn,
>>>        http://wiki.swftools.org/wiki/User:Cthulhu.fhtagn
>>>    without whose sterling support, very kind assistamce, and time
>>> mis(spent), the
>>>    wiki would have been down ages ago due spam, bot, and other such attacks.
>>> So, to all you out there, commercially biased or otherwise, that make 
>>> profitable
>>> and personal use of the SWFTools software, and occasioanally this mailing 
>>> list,
>>> http://wiki.swftools.org/webstats/awstats.pl?config=awstats.wiki.swftools.org.conf
>>> Whare to next, *if* anywhere?  Ditch, dump, or continue to maintain?
>>> Thoughts people.
>>> Thank you.
>>> Regards,
>>> Chris P.
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