Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] Re: [Savannah-hackers-public] Revisiting hosted wiki software

[Danny Clark]

Just a data point, the campaigns team of the FSF uses ikiwiki, so we
have a little bit of experience with it (the Sys Admin team uses
Mediawiki; these choices were all made before I became an FSF employee,
so I don't know the history there).

There is a backport of a more recent version of ikiwiki (along with some
deps I think) to gNewSense Deltah at
http://config.fsf.org/packages/dists/gnewsense-deltah/backports/

Also I'll be upgrading the groups.fsf.org mediawiki instance this
quarter; currently it's running a vaguely oldish version of Mediawiki.

-- 
Daniel JB Clark   | Sys Admin, Free Software Foundation
pobox.com/~dclark | http://www.fsf.org/about/staff#danny


Thomas Schwinge wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 01:50:52PM +0000, Noah Slater wrote:
>> I was just browsing around when I rediscovered the FSF Groups wiki:
>>
>>   http://groups.fsf.org/
>>
>> I was wondering about the possibility of providing a hosted wiki for 
>> Savannah. I
>> am aware that Stallman is cautious about this because of the possibility of
>> linking to or promoting non-free software.
> 
> I've been discussing all this with RMS, Karl, etc. some months ago in the
> context of the GNU Hurd wiki (which is now online even for serving the
> main page, <http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/>, in some sort of ``special
> wiki mode'', see on
> <http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/contributing/web_pages.html> the ``When
> you commit changes...'' paragraph).
> 
> I've been meaning to write all this wiki stuff down, also initiated again
> by FSFE's Matthias Kirschner (CCed) asking me about it.  I'll do that
> soon, I promise.
> 
> Also, some more months ago, I initiated a discussion on a GNU internal
> GNU maintainers' list (<address@hidden>, CCed) about having a
> central GNU wiki setup.  Some people liked the idea and even told me so.
> I didn't work on this any further so far.  For the GNU Hurd wiki (and now
> web pages as well) we are using the ikiwiki software,
> <http://ikiwiki.info/>, rendering the pages stored in a git repository,
> <http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=hurd/web.git>.  This scheme was
> also liked and supported by the people on gnu-prog-discuss.
> 
> 
>> I spent a bit of time thinking about this and wondered why this was any more 
>> of
>> an issue on a wiki than a public mailing list, or in fact the existing FSF
>> Groups wiki. If someone posted a link to some non-free software on a mailing
>> list there is nothing you can do about it, at least with a wiki you are able 
>> to
>> edit articles to remove the offending material.
>>
>> My experience developing CouchDB with a public wiki [1] has convinced me 
>> that it
>> can be a tremendously powerful tool for collecting and aggregating tips, 
>> help,
>> advice, and literature about a software project.
>>
>> Is there a case we could make to Stallman? If he were to accept, would this 
>> be
>> technically feasible or desirable by the Savannah hackers?
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/couchdb/
> 
> 
> Regards,
>  Thomas

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