Re: [Ranger-users] A new approach to build the user interface of the future!

[hut]

I have the feeling that you guys are pulling my leg.  It's a serious
problem.  How about we use the free key bindings to add commands for
navigation, file operations and other useful tasks?

On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 01:29:09AM +0200, Miodrag Milic wrote:
> >Hey Miodrag, got any idea what to do with all the keys that are unused now?
> YES.
> 
> You should bind those to some great applications and sites needed by
> everyone like thunderbird, minecraft, facebook ...
> 
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Cédric Picard <address@hidden> wrote:
> 
> > I think the least would be to print a big red warning message
> > explaining why typing on a key alone should be deprecated.
> >
> > Or print an ascii punny per key. That could be fun. Like a child's
> > mode. « Son, when you are old enough, I'll teach you the Meta key.
> > Right now, play with the punnies. »
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 01:07:43AM +0200, hut wrote:
> > > Hey Miodrag, got any idea what to do with all the keys that are unused
> > now?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 12:54:02AM +0200, Miodrag Milic wrote:
> > > > Nobody is being sarcastic here !
> > > >
> > > > The change is already well documented (great work hut as always,
> > cheers)
> > > > RTFM and start testing ASAP, don't wait for free treatment, just buy
> > some
> > > > B6  <http://goo.gl/0Jxut7>and you are ready to go !
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Gerald Klein <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What is the change?? Without the sarcasm
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:15 PM, feel.squally <
> > address@hidden>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> With vim key bindings for scrolling down along the files in a
> > directory
> > > > >> you just need one finger typing j.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I guess with emacs you need C+n that implies TWO fingers.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Also, if this change is about a concern of freedom, is there the
> > FREEDOM
> > > > >> to choose between vim and emacs key bindings like tmux does?
> > > > >> If so, I am happy with this change otherwise I think ranger will
> > lose
> > > > >> users pretty soon.
> > > > >> Il 31/mar/2015 22:52 "Miodrag Milic" <address@hidden> ha
> > > > >> scritto:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> > Imagine a text editor where you can just type in some keys, and
> > they
> > > > >>> appear on
> > > > >>> the screen.  Just like that.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> OMG, I didn't even know such thing exists!!!! PLEASE!!!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Gerald Klein <address@hidden>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Can someone please tell if this is a joke, I'm serious I can't
> > tell?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 3:20 PM, hut <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> So, ranger has been around for almost 6 years, and after all
> > this time
> > > > >>>>> of
> > > > >>>>> optimizing and re-evaluating, I think we need a paradigm shift
> > in the
> > > > >>>>> way
> > > > >>>>> ranger works.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> There are going to be a few changes starting with the upcoming
> > 1.7.0
> > > > >>>>> release
> > > > >>>>> which can be tested now already by running the current git
> > version:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>   git clone https://github.com/hut/ranger.git -b current
> > > > >>>>>   cd ranger
> > > > >>>>>   ./ranger.py
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I sincerely believe now that trying to copy the vim user
> > experience
> > > > >>>>> was wrong
> > > > >>>>> on many levels, because clearly emacs is the better editor.  It's
> > > > >>>>> build on the
> > > > >>>>> idea of freedom, of elegance and of having to press modifier
> > keys all
> > > > >>>>> the time.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> If that doesn't convince you yet, how about this:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Imagine a text editor where you can just type in some keys, and
> > they
> > > > >>>>> appear on
> > > > >>>>> the screen.  Just like that.  No silly modes, no crazy things
> > > > >>>>> happening by
> > > > >>>>> typing random characters on the keyboard (think ggdGZZ, it
> > deletes
> > > > >>>>> your whole
> > > > >>>>> text, then saves the file and quits the editor!  How crazy is
> > that?!)
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> No.  Using Emacs key bindings is the only sane way to do it.
> > Check
> > > > >>>>> out the
> > > > >>>>> new key bindings on the man page:
> > > > >>>>> http://ranger.nongnu.org/ranger.1.html
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Of course ranger has no concept of "typing in text" like emacs
> > does,
> > > > >>>>> so typing
> > > > >>>>> in keys without modifiers will do nothing at all.  Basically you
> > will
> > > > >>>>> have to
> > > > >>>>> use modifier keys for everything you do.  But still it's
> > obviously
> > > > >>>>> better than
> > > > >>>>> vim-like key bindings.  ***BONUS*** The first 100 to upgrade
> > will get
> > > > >>>>> a free
> > > > >>>>> treatment for their future carpal tunnel syndrome!
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>>> hut
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> --
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Gerald Klein DBA
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> address@hidden
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> www.geraldklein.com <http://geraldklein.com/>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> geraldklein.wordpress.com
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> address@hidden
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> 708-599-0352
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Arch, Gentoo I3, Ranger & Vim the coding triple threat.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Linux registered user #548580
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Brought to you by the Amish Mafia
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Gerald Klein DBA
> > > > >
> > > > > address@hidden
> > > > >
> > > > > www.geraldklein.com <http://geraldklein.com/>
> > > > >
> > > > > geraldklein.wordpress.com
> > > > >
> > > > > address@hidden
> > > > >
> > > > > 708-599-0352
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Arch, Gentoo I3, Ranger & Vim the coding triple threat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Linux registered user #548580
> > > > >
> > > > > Brought to you by the Amish Mafia
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> >       Cédric Picard
> >
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> >
> >