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Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 00/15] QMP: out-of-band (OOB) execution support
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Peter Xu |
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Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 00/15] QMP: out-of-band (OOB) execution support |
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Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:37:41 +0800 |
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On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 10:19:21AM +0100, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> * Peter Xu (address@hidden) wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 06:09:29PM +0200, Marc-André Lureau wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Dr. David Alan Gilbert
> > > <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > * Marc-André Lureau (address@hidden) wrote:
> > > >> Hi
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Dr. David Alan Gilbert
> > > >> <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > >> > * Marc-André Lureau (address@hidden) wrote:
> > > >> >> Hi
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Peter Xu <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > >> >> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 01:14:47PM +0200, Marc-André Lureau wrote:
> > > >> >> >> Hi
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Peter Xu <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 07:53:15PM +0100, Dr. David Alan
> > > >> >> >> > Gilbert wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> * Marc-André Lureau (address@hidden) wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> > Hi
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Peter Xu <address@hidden>
> > > >> >> >> >> > wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> > > This series was born from this one:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2017-08/msg04310.html
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > The design comes from Markus, and also the whole-bunch-of
> > > >> >> >> >> > > discussions
> > > >> >> >> >> > > in previous thread. My heartful thanks to Markus,
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Daniel, Dave,
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Stefan, etc. on discussing the topic (...again!),
> > > >> >> >> >> > > providing shiny
> > > >> >> >> >> > > ideas and suggestions. Finally we got such a solution
> > > >> >> >> >> > > that seems to
> > > >> >> >> >> > > satisfy everyone.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > I re-started the versioning since this series is totally
> > > >> >> >> >> > > different
> > > >> >> >> >> > > from previous one. Now it's version 1.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > In case new reviewers come along the way without reading
> > > >> >> >> >> > > previous
> > > >> >> >> >> > > discussions, I will try to do a summary on what this is
> > > >> >> >> >> > > all about.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > What is OOB execution?
> > > >> >> >> >> > > ======================
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > It's the shortcut of Out-Of-Band execution, its name is
> > > >> >> >> >> > > given by
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Markus. It's a way to quickly execute a QMP request.
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Say, originally
> > > >> >> >> >> > > QMP is going throw these steps:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > JSON Parser --> QMP Dispatcher --> Respond
> > > >> >> >> >> > > /|\ (2) (3) |
> > > >> >> >> >> > > (1) | \|/ (4)
> > > >> >> >> >> > > +--------- main thread --------+
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > The requests are executed by the so-called QMP-dispatcher
> > > >> >> >> >> > > after the
> > > >> >> >> >> > > JSON is parsed. If OOB is on, we run the command
> > > >> >> >> >> > > directly in the
> > > >> >> >> >> > > parser and quickly returns.
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > All commands should have the "id" field mandatory in this
> > > >> >> >> >> > case, else
> > > >> >> >> >> > the client will not distinguish the replies coming from the
> > > >> >> >> >> > last/oob
> > > >> >> >> >> > and the previous commands.
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > This should probably be enforced upfront by client
> > > >> >> >> >> > capability checks,
> > > >> >> >> >> > more below.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Hmm yes since the oob commands are actually running in async
> > > >> >> >> > way,
> > > >> >> >> > request ID should be needed here. However I'm not sure whether
> > > >> >> >> > enabling the whole "request ID" thing is too big for this "try
> > > >> >> >> > to be
> > > >> >> >> > small" oob change... And IMHO it suites better to be part of
> > > >> >> >> > the whole
> > > >> >> >> > async work (no matter which implementation we'll use).
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > How about this: we make "id" mandatory for "run-oob" requests
> > > >> >> >> > only.
> > > >> >> >> > For oob commands, they will always have ID then no ordering
> > > >> >> >> > issue, and
> > > >> >> >> > we can do it async; for the rest of non-oob commands, we still
> > > >> >> >> > allow
> > > >> >> >> > them to go without ID, and since they are not oob, they'll
> > > >> >> >> > always be
> > > >> >> >> > done in order as well. Would this work?
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> This mixed-mode is imho more complicated to deal with than
> > > >> >> >> having the
> > > >> >> >> protocol enforced one way or the other, but that should work.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Yeah I know in current code the parser calls dispatcher
> > > >> >> >> >> > > directly
> > > >> >> >> >> > > (please see handle_qmp_command()). However it's not true
> > > >> >> >> >> > > again after
> > > >> >> >> >> > > this series (parser will has its own IO thread, and
> > > >> >> >> >> > > dispatcher will
> > > >> >> >> >> > > still be run in main thread). So this OOB does brings
> > > >> >> >> >> > > something
> > > >> >> >> >> > > different.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > There are more details on why OOB and the
> > > >> >> >> >> > > difference/relationship
> > > >> >> >> >> > > between OOB, async QMP, block/general jobs, etc.. but
> > > >> >> >> >> > > IMHO that's
> > > >> >> >> >> > > slightly out of topic (and believe me, it's not easy for
> > > >> >> >> >> > > me to
> > > >> >> >> >> > > summarize that). For more information, please refers to
> > > >> >> >> >> > > [1].
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Summary ends here.
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Some Implementation Details
> > > >> >> >> >> > > ===========================
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > Again, I mentioned that the old QMP workflow is this:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > JSON Parser --> QMP Dispatcher --> Respond
> > > >> >> >> >> > > /|\ (2) (3) |
> > > >> >> >> >> > > (1) | \|/ (4)
> > > >> >> >> >> > > +--------- main thread --------+
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > What this series does is, firstly:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > JSON Parser QMP Dispatcher --> Respond
> > > >> >> >> >> > > /|\ | /|\ (4) |
> > > >> >> >> >> > > | | (2) | (3) | (5)
> > > >> >> >> >> > > (1) | +-----> | \|/
> > > >> >> >> >> > > +--------- main thread <-------+
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > And further:
> > > >> >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> >> > > queue/kick
> > > >> >> >> >> > > JSON Parser ======> QMP Dispatcher --> Respond
> > > >> >> >> >> > > /|\ | (3) /|\ (4) |
> > > >> >> >> >> > > (1) | | (2) | | (5)
> > > >> >> >> >> > > | \|/ | \|/
> > > >> >> >> >> > > IO thread main thread <-------+
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > Is the queue per monitor or per client?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > The queue is currently global. I think yes maybe at least we
> > > >> >> >> > can do it
> > > >> >> >> > per monitor, but I am not sure whether that is urgent or can be
> > > >> >> >> > postponed. After all now QMPRequest (please refer to patch
> > > >> >> >> > 11) is
> > > >> >> >> > defined as (mon, id, req) tuple, so at least "id" namespace is
> > > >> >> >> > per-monitor.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > And is the dispatching going
> > > >> >> >> >> > to be processed even if the client is disconnected, and are
> > > >> >> >> >> > new
> > > >> >> >> >> > clients going to receive the replies from previous clients
> > > >> >> >> >> > commands?
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > [1]
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > (will discuss together below)
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > I
> > > >> >> >> >> > believe there should be a per-client context, so there
> > > >> >> >> >> > won't be "id"
> > > >> >> >> >> > request conflicts.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > I'd say I am not familiar with this "client" idea, since after
> > > >> >> >> > all
> > > >> >> >> > IMHO one monitor is currently designed to mostly work with a
> > > >> >> >> > single
> > > >> >> >> > client. Say, unix sockets, telnet, all these backends are only
> > > >> >> >> > single
> > > >> >> >> > channeled, and one monitor instance can only work with one
> > > >> >> >> > client at a
> > > >> >> >> > time. Then do we really need to add this client layer upon
> > > >> >> >> > it? IMHO
> > > >> >> >> > the user can just provide more monitors if they wants more
> > > >> >> >> > clients
> > > >> >> >> > (and at least these clients should know the existance of the
> > > >> >> >> > others or
> > > >> >> >> > there might be problem, otherwise user2 will fail a migration,
> > > >> >> >> > finally
> > > >> >> >> > noticed that user1 has already triggered one), and the user
> > > >> >> >> > should
> > > >> >> >> > manage them well.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> qemu should support a management layer / libvirt
> > > >> >> >> restart/reconnect.
> > > >> >> >> Afaik, it mostly work today. There might be a cases where
> > > >> >> >> libvirt can
> > > >> >> >> be confused if it receives a reply from a previous connection
> > > >> >> >> command,
> > > >> >> >> but due to the sync processing of the chardev, I am not sure you
> > > >> >> >> can
> > > >> >> >> get in this situation. By adding "oob" commands and queuing, the
> > > >> >> >> client will have to remember which was the last "id" used, or it
> > > >> >> >> will
> > > >> >> >> create more conflict after a reconnect.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Imho we should introduce the client/connection concept to avoid
> > > >> >> >> this
> > > >> >> >> confusion (unexpected reply & per client id space).
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Hmm I agree that the reconnect feature would be nice, but if so
> > > >> >> > IMHO
> > > >> >> > instead of throwing responses away when client disconnect, we
> > > >> >> > should
> > > >> >> > really keep them, and when the client reconnects, we queue the
> > > >> >> > responses again.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > I think we have other quite simple ways to solve the "unexpected
> > > >> >> > reply" and "per-client-id duplication" issues you have mentioned.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Firstly, when client gets unexpected replies ("id" field not in
> > > >> >> > its
> > > >> >> > own request queue), the client should just ignore that reply,
> > > >> >> > which
> > > >> >> > seems natural to me.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> The trouble is that it may legitimately use the same "id" value for
> > > >> >> new requests. And I don't see a simple way to handle that without
> > > >> >> races.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Under what circumstances can it reuse the same ID for new requests?
> > > >> > Can't we simply tell it not to?
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't see any restriction today in the protocol in connecting with a
> > > >> new client that may not know anything from a previous client.
> > > >
> > > > Well, it knows it's doing a reconnection.
> > >
> > > If you assume the "same client" reconnects to the monitor, I agree.
> > > But this is a restriction of monitor usage.
> >
> > In monitor_qmp_event(), we can empty the request queue when got
> > CHR_EVENT_CLOSED. Would that be a solution?
>
> What happens to commands that are in flight?
Good questioning...
I think we can track that one as well, say, provide a simple state
machine for Monitor (possibly with a lock) that can be either "idle",
"processing", "drop".
Then a normal routine to execution of command:
0. by default, monitor state "idle"
1. when dequeue the request, mark that monitor as "processing",
execute the command
2. when reply: if still "processing", then do it; if "drop", then drop
that reply for current command. Here we'll reply.
Instead, if disconnect/reconnect happens:
0. by default, monitor state "idle"
1. when dequeue the request, mark that monitor as "processing",
execute the command
2. port disconnected, in EVENT_CLOSED, we set state to "drop"
3. port reconnected, we do nothing (so the execution state keeps
through reconnection)
4. when reply: if still "processing", then do it; if "drop", then drop
that reply for current command. Here we drop that reply.
But... IMHO this is too awkward only for this single "drop the last
command reply" purpose. I would prefer to use documentation intead to
let client drop unknown responses directly if it's ok to everyone.
Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> > --
> > Peter Xu
> --
> Dr. David Alan Gilbert / address@hidden / Manchester, UK
--
Peter Xu
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- Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 00/15] QMP: out-of-band (OOB) execution support, Marc-André Lureau, 2017/09/15
- Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC 00/15] QMP: out-of-band (OOB) execution support, Peter Xu, 2017/09/18
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