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Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Change virtio-console to PCI_CLASS_SERIAL_OTHER


From: Dor Laor
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Change virtio-console to PCI_CLASS_SERIAL_OTHER
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:08:25 +0300
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Mark McLoughlin wrote:
On Sun, 2009-05-31 at 17:47 +0300, Dor Laor wrote:
Mark McLoughlin wrote:
On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 10:43 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote:

The more I think about it, no matter how much linear ABI versioning
sucks, it's possibly the only way to solve this in a reasonably usable
manners. Distros would just have to suck it up and agree that if they
cherry-pick an ABI changing patch, they must update the entire ABI to
the newer upstream ABI version.
Okay, how about this:

  - Add a saveabi monitor command

  - Whenever libvirt starts a guest or hotplugs a device, it executes
    saveabi and retains the output

- The abi can be restored with qemu -loadabi or the loadabi monitor command

- The abi file doesn't describe the device model, it merely gives hints for building the device model which is described on the
    command line

- If the abi file contains details of a device which is not listed on the command line, it's just ignored and not included in the next saveabi

- If the abi file is missing details of a device which is listed on the command line, the device is constructed using the defaults and included in the next saveabi

- This means the abi file is opaque to the management tools - unlike the machine config file, libvirt would not need to modify it when
    devices are added or removed by the user
IMO it shouldn't be opaque

The important requirement is that management tools should never need to
modify saveabi output.

and we might use the same config file for the abi too.

What we don't want is:

  $> qemu -config guest.config

where guest.config contains both details of which devices are needed
*and* what their ABI should be.

We want:

  $> qemu -loadabi guest.abi -config guest.confg

or:

  $> qemu -loadabi guest.abi -drive ... -net ... -serial ...

The idea being that we should not mix up ABI requirements with device
configuration.

The management tools do not need to know the details of the ABI
provided, they just want to request qemu to use the same ABI as was used
previously.

Put more simply - with saveabi/loadabi, the management tools would not
need to know that older versions of qemu's virtio-console used
PCI_CLASS_DISPLAY_OTHER.

Since -loadabi  and -config are far away in the future (hope few months) and
the 2 pci class issues are a real problem now, can qemu accept current patches?
My patch gave a config option for setting the value of the block class.

Current guest abi is not kept anyway since there is not way for static pci slots and
there is no migration working with older qemu's.

IMHO since there is not good way to allow have a real stable guest abi, these patches
should be committed (with a cmdline option).

Regards, dor
The notion of abi config is indeed required and most of the times, mgmt tools won't need to deal with it.

But, let's say for instance that the user with certain abi configs, now change some existence of pci device, bios memory mapping, etc. In the
case mgmt should automatically adjust both config files to minimize
the effect on the guest and not to create a conflict.

I think that would defeat a lot of the value of this. It adds an awful
lot of complexity to the management tools.

The device config file should always just take precedence and the abi
file should just be used as hints to allow the same ABI to be used. If
e.g. a device is removed, the hints for that device can be ignored and
dropped in the next saveabi.

Cheers,
Mark.








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