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[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond
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Matej Cepl |
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[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond |
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Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:04:20 +0000 (UTC) |
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Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies) |
Jeff Berman, Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:45:16 -0700:
> I'm surprised there hasn't been more uptake by others in fixing bugs and
> adding features. In my mind Pan is the best newsreader out there. I
> wonder what news reader all the Linux-using C++ developers are using
> (and contributing to)?
slrn? emacs/Gnus? (I guess), or maybe ... see point c) of the following
text.
I am not sure where should I point my contribution to this thread, so I
can as well put it just here.
I am not sure how to build communities and revived hibernating projects,
but I am persuaded I know one very sure way how to smite a final blow to
a project ... declare your intent to rewrite it in yet another language
(and don't fool yourself ... pan is not a bittorrent client, there is
much less GUI-independent parts of it, so rewriting GUI means rewrite of
almost whole thing). I have nothing against openjdk (/me fights with
temptation to include jokes about Gentoo, but finally wins), but even if
I haven't had deepest suspicion against its use for GUI, I would run
away, because rewriting mentality means that developers have no clue and
no interest in serving users, so I can as well leave now than suffer the
pain for some more time.
So, I have just couple of thoughts about things which might help (none of
them being the miracle-causing one though):
a) open the project as much as possible -- publicly available issue
tracker (bugzilla.gnome.org seems like the cheapest one at the moment),
ONE publicly available (even though RO for most people) VCS repository,
release early release often tarballs (so that distributions can have
fresh version), IRC/Jabber MUC??? (not sure about this, this ML/NG is
probably enough),
b) once having an issue tracker (and you can quite merciless with
awarding WONTFIXes) get rid of the biggest irritants for the users. That
would include repetitive crashes (I don't know about any, pan seems to be
quite stable for me, but just in cases there are some known ones) and the
biggest pet-peeves. I would suggest mine (but I can accept WONTFIX on
this as well): missing "Cache all unread messages from all subscribed
NGs" -- my fingers pretty much got hardwired with Ctrl-D,D,C,G
repetition, but I still feel like an idiot every morning I go through
this.
c) don't plan Great Changes at all anyway; I think that unfortunately
whole idea of newsgroups got much less popular lately and people seem to
prefer such idiotical places for communication as web-fora, facebooks and
such. I can think that people rejecting NGs are idiots (and I do), but I
am afraid it won't change the tide.
I have studied administration of newservers lately, and it feels like
going through cemetery -- a lot of dead projects, books out of print for
a decade, orphaned projects. gmane.org is the only exception to this
trend, but I don't see any other recent development for the newsgroups
revival. I don't see anywhere huge groups of users waiting impatiently on
better newsgroup reader. Don't expect them much to come.
Maybe that the answer to Jeff's question is that they just don't use
newsreaders that much any more and they contribute even less.
Best and thanks for the great program!
Matěj
- [Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond, (continued)
- Re: [Pan-users] 0.134 and Beyond, Travis, 2009/09/28
- Re: [Pan-users] 0.134 and Beyond, Jeff Berman, 2009/09/28
- Re: [Pan-users] 0.134 and Beyond, Wayne E. Nail, 2009/09/28
- Re: [Pan-users] 0.134 and Beyond, Jeff Berman, 2009/09/28
- [Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond, Duncan, 2009/09/29
- [Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond, Petr Kovar, 2009/09/29
- Re: [Pan-users] Documentation (was: 0.134 and Beyond), Charles Kerr, 2009/09/29
- [Pan-users] Re: Documentation (was: 0.134 and Beyond), Petr Kovar, 2009/09/29
- Re: [Pan-users] Re: Documentation (was: 0.134 and Beyond), Steve Davies, 2009/09/30
[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond,
Matej Cepl <=
[Pan-users] Re: 0.134 and Beyond, Beartooth, 2009/09/29