Re: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?

[Phil Grundig]

Good advice.

In the meantime:

Download and burn a cd from the latest Damnsmalllinux iso.
Boot from the cd preferably with the toram and dma boot options.
If already connected to a broadband modem you will already be on the net.
Install the gtk2-2.12.9.uci extension from the MyDSL browser (or one of the 
other gtk2 extensions).
Install my pan-0.133 uci extension the same way.
Launch pan.
Configure your servers.
Happy usenet.

Whose says you can't be ahead of Ubuntu applications-wise with an old 2.4.31 
kernel and even older glibc6?




--- On Mon, 15/12/08, Duncan <address@hidden> wrote:

> From: Duncan <address@hidden>
> Subject: [Pan-users] Re: compile ?
> To: address@hidden
> Date: Monday, 15 December, 2008, 6:52 AM
> "Travis" <address@hidden> posted
> address@hidden, excerpted below,
> on  Sun, 14
> Dec 2008 15:29:28 -0800:
> 
> > I appreciate everyone trying to help but with several
> people responding
> > with slightly different instructions I'm finding
> it difficult to follow.
> 
> Here's something to save for later -- it's not
> going to be much help 
> right now for this particular project, but it'll be a
> LOT of help overall.
> 
> You mention elsewhere that you want to keep to the command
> line for this, 
> which is I think a good decision since it's both
> directions and feedback 
> are easier (given it's a mailing list we're using)
> on the command line.
> 
> The below is a suggestion only.  Feel free to disregard it,
> but I'll tell 
> you one thing, it saved me literally hundreds of hours (I
> figure at least 
> three months worth of full-time 40 hour week equivilent,
> 500 hours worth, 
> and it could easily have been a thousand hours worth) of
> screwing around 
> ineffectively trying to learn stuff on my own.
> 
> Get the books Running Linux, and preferably Linux in a
> Nutshell, as 
> well.  They're both O'Reilly Publishing.  Running
> Linux is several 
> hundred pages (the old edition I used was 600+) arranged
> pretty much like 
> a textbook or tutorial, easy/basic stuff at the front,
> harder stuff at 
> the back.  I read it almost cover to cover, tho I did only
> skim or speed-
> read some chapters.  It emphasizes the command line for
> probably 2/3s of 
> the book, teaching, for the most part, tools that are on
> all 
> distributions.  If you read thru most of it, you'll
> have a very good 
> understanding of the basics, including being able to
> compile stuff 
> yourself and something about how it works and
> configuration, so you can 
> fix some of the simplest problems.  Not only will you have
> a very good 
> understanding of the basics, but you'll be on your way
> to being a Linux 
> power user!
> 
> While Running Linux is structured like a textbook, so is
> good for 
> learning stuff as a newbie, Linux in a Nutshell is
> structured as a good 
> reference manual.  You won't use it so much learning
> the basics, but 
> after you do, you'll find yourself reaching for Linux
> in a Nutshell time 
> and again, just to refresh yourself on command line
> options.  To this day 
> (something like seven years later), I keep a copy within
> reach when I'm 
> working at the computer, with bookmarks in a couple spots
> (the bash test 
> command parameters, bash substitution, and the regex
> reference), and use 
> it for other lookups reasonably frequently as well.  I wore
> out my first 
> copy, got a second, updated version, and have now rather
> worn it out as 
> well and need to get a third copy!
> 
> Together these books will probably cost you around $100 US;
> they cost me 
> $70 at Fry's Electronics some years ago, but what is
> your time worth to 
> you?  Even at near minimum wage, say $7 an hour, that 500
> hours I figure 
> they EASILY saved me mean they'd be worth $3500!! 
> Obviously you'd not 
> pay that for them, but that's about the conservative
> best estimate I can 
> give of what I consider the knowledge they gave me worth to
> me.  If 
> you're serious about learning Linux to the point where
> you are actually 
> comfortable with it and effective using it, those books are
> worth the 
> money many many times over!  I consider the recommendation
> I got for them 
> and the decision to follow it very near to the best in my
> life, with the 
> decision to actually switch to Linux being very close.  But
> I'd have been 
> lost had I tried to switch without something like those
> books, and 
> honestly, I'm not sure I would have stuck with it. 
> After all, I was 
> already a Windows power user with over a decade of
> experience there, and 
> I was finding it VERY frustrating how impotent I felt on
> Linux -- I 
> couldn't do /anything/!  Those books changed all that,
> and did so in a 
> matter of months!
> 
> As I said, it's your choice, but that's one choice
> I'm very glad I made, 
> and I really hate to think how difficult it would have been
> or how long 
> it would have taken to come to the same level, without
> them.  If you're 
> serious about learning Linux, there's no better
> investment you can make, 
> than the purchase and time necessary to read those books!
> 
> -- 
> Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
> "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
> and if you use the program, he is your master." 
> Richard Stallman
> 
> 
> 
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