Re: [Pan-users] Re: Two instances of PAN

[Rick Barry]

Thanks so much for doing that. I will learn so much more than just the answer 
to my original inquiry.

I do have a /usr/bin. I looked after reading your instructions. originally, I 
stopped looking thinking the /bin was what you were talking about.

I'll let you know how I make out. No doubt, another question or 2 is bound to 
pop up.


--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Duncan <address@hidden> wrote:

> From: Duncan <address@hidden>
> Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Two instances of PAN
> To: address@hidden
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:18 AM
> Rick Barry <address@hidden>
> posted address@hidden,
> excerpted below, on 
> Sun, 09 Nov 2008 05:51:51 -0800:
> 
> >> OK, let's get real basic, then.
> >> 
> >> 1. home directory?
> > 
> > /home/rick
> > 
> >> 2. [Pan instance names]
> > 
> > Giga and Astra (after the servers I'll be using
> for each one)
> 
> Before we get carried away with the below, you do know you
> can simply 
> setup separate servers for each, in the same pan instance,
> right?  If a 
> group exists on both servers, pan would then download from
> both, unless 
> you set one as a backup server instead of both as primary
> servers.  If a 
> group exists on only one server, it would automatically
> download from 
> there.  You'd have a single combined group list,
> however, and a single 
> set of settings that applied to both.  That may not be what
> you want.  If 
> so, continue with the below.  If a single setup for both is
> fine, ignore 
> the below and ask if you need to how to set up the second
> server, instead.
> 
> >> 3.  Do you already have a bin dir in your home
> dir, ~/bin?
> > 
> > No, it resides in the file system at apparently at the
> same level as
> > home.
> 
> That's the system bin dir.  Actually, there's /bin
> and /usr/bin.  I was 
> wondering if you had one just for your user.  Apparently
> not.  We'll make 
> one.
> 
> >> 4. Start with [duplicate] instances, or second one
> from scratch?
> > 
> > I'm not quite sure what you mean by the starting
> with the same thing. I
> > don't want the 2 set ups to share anything for
> downloads and the groups
> > accessed won't be the same either, if that helps
> answer the question.
> 
> Yes, perfect. =:^)
> 
> OK, let's see:
> 
> 1. Create a new subdirectory /home/rick/bin
> 
> This will be for user specific, not system-wide, scripts. 
> We'll put our 
> two pan starter scripts there, but you can put others there
> later if you 
> want.  It's not just for pan scripts, IOW.
> 
> You can do this from your file manager of choice, or use
> the bash 
> commands below in a terminal window (assuming bash as your
> shell, it will 
> be unless you've changed it):
> 
> 
> cd /home/rick
> mkdir bin
> 
> 2. Create a new subdirectory /home/rick/pan
> 
> This will hold the data for both pan instances.
> 
> Bash commands:
> cd /home/rick
> mkdir pan
> 
> 3. Create two subdirs of that pan dir:
> 
> /home/rick/pan/astra
> /home/rick/pan/giga
> 
> Obviously, one for each of the instances.
> 
> Bash commands:
> cd /home/rick/pan
> mkdir giga
> mkdir astra
> 
> 4. Make sure pan isn't running from here to step 10.
> 
> 5. Optional: If you want to start with your existing
> instance as one of 
> the new ones, move everything from the (normally hidden)
> /home/rick/.pan2 
> location it should be in right now, to the appropriate one.
> 
> This assuming you want to keep what exists now as giga,
> change the giga 
> to astra if you want to keep the existing instance as
> astra, instead.
> 
> Bash commands:
> cd /home/rick
> mv .pan2/* pan/giga/
> 
> 6. Now, create the following files and save them in the bin
> dir we 
> created above.  I'll assume you know how to use a text
> editor for this 
> step: 
> 
> /home/rick/bin/pan.astra should contain three lines:
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> export PAN_HOME=/home/rick/pan/astra
> exec pan $*
> 
> /home/rick/bin/pan.giga should contain the same lines,
> but of course with astra replaced by giga, so:
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> export PAN_HOME=/home/rick/pan/giga
> exec pan $*
> 
> 7. Set those new scripts executable.
> 
> Bash commands:
> chmod u+x /home/rick/bin/pan.astra
> chmod u+x /home/rick/bin/pan.giga
> 
> 8. Remove the old pan dir, ~/.pan2
> 
> Bash commands:
> rmdir -i /home/rick/.pan2
> 
> 9. Edit /home/rick/.bashrc to add your user's bin dir
> to your executable 
> search path.
> 
> This bit should work for most distributions, but might not
> for some if 
> they're setup to use a different mechanism for this. 
> There's a way 
> around it if it doesn't work, but it'll mean more
> typing each time you 
> start one of the instances.
> 
> Again, I'll assume you know how to use a text editor. 
> Note that the 
> leading dot on .bashrc means it's normally hidden, so
> you may have to 
> type it into your editor's open dialog directly.
> 
> In this file, look for a line starting with PATH= . 
> It'll probably look 
> something like this, but maybe longer, with other
> directories as well:
> 
> PATH="/usr/bin:/bin/:/opt/bin"
> 
> If you find such a line, add the bin dir we created above, 
> /home/rick/bin, separating it from the other dirs with a
> colon (:) as 
> necessary.  Thus, if the line looked like the example I
> used above, it 
> would be something like this after editing:
> 
> PATH="/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/home/rick/bin"
> 
> If there's no path line, create one that looks like
> this:
> 
> PATH="$PATH:/home/rick/bin"
> 
> If there's no such file, you can try creating it and
> adding the line with 
> the $PATH element as above.
> 
> 10. Logout and back in.
> 
> >> We'll start with that.
> 
> Indeed.
> 
> You should be setup now for two separate pan instances. 
> Don't start pan 
> from the old launcher any more since that will create a new
> default 
> instance in the default ~/.pan2 location.  Instead, either
> from a 
> terminal window or from your environment's open dialog,
> type in the 
> command to start the instance you want:
> 
> If step #9 worked, or if you're lucky even if it
> didn't, the following 
> commands should work:
> 
> pan.giga  (or)
> pan.astra
> 
> Regardless of whether step #9 worked or not, you should be
> able to use 
> the full path version, like so:
> 
> /home/rick/bin/pan.giga  (or)
> /home/rick/bin/pan.astra
> 
> If you want you can run both instances at the same time. 
> The settings 
> will be totally separate so they shouldn't interfere
> with each other.  
> Just don't get confused which one you're in, if you
> do. =:^)
> 
> Once you've tested those, you can if you like setup
> menu entries for each 
> of them and delete pan's now unused original menu
> entry.  Unless it's 
> KDE, however, you'll need to find someone else to tell
> you how to do 
> that, as I only know how to do it with KDE here, not GNOME
> or XFCE or any 
> of the other window managers.  However, you don't have
> to.  You can 
> always continue launching your pan sessions from the open
> dialog or 
> terminal window, if you like.
> 
> If that doesn't work, maybe if you tell me how far you
> got...  Or, check 
> in your area for a LUG, Linux User's Group. 
> There's nothing like someone 
> who's actually there to show you in person. =:^)  (Of
> course, if you 
> happen to be in the Phoenix Arizona area, where I am...)
> 
> -- 
> Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
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