Re: Place text next to rehearsal mark, or with left edge over barline if there is none

[Wols Lists]

On 09/07/17 19:28, Simon Albrecht wrote:
> On 09.07.2017 20:01, Wols Lists wrote:
>> On 09/07/17 18:38, Simon Albrecht wrote:
>>> On 09.07.2017 18:24, address@hidden wrote:
>>>> As you can see on the screenshot, both texts are misaligned.
>>> That’s your opinion.
>> See below. The result can EASILY be unplayable music ...
> What an exaggeration.
>>>> The first one, a \tempo, is placed *under* the rehearsal mark instead
>>>> of next to it.
>>> Well, both are placed exactly according to standard conventions: the
>>> center of the RehearsalMark aligned to the bar line, and the left edge
>>> of the MetronomeMark aligned to the note at the same moment. And since
>>> the former has a higher outside-staff-priority (see
>>> <http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/learning/outside_002dstaff-objects>)
>>>
>>> it is further away from the staff.
>> The problem with this is firstly, it's horribly ugly and no real (i.e. a
>> person) engraver would ever do this if he took any pride in his work,
>>
>> and secondly and far more importantly for me, it makes playing the music
>> hard-to-impossible. What's the point of having sheet music if it's
>> unplayable?
> 
> And why exactly would the effect be so disastrous? Because it gets a
> little more difficult to get good page turns?

No. Because a good page turn has nothing to do with having a convenient
place to do it, and everything to do with whether turning a page is
POSSIBLE, in a purely *practical* sense.
> 
>> A real engraver who wanted to stick to those conventions would
>> presumably shift the note to the right so it cleared the rehearsal mark
>> and let the metronome mark drop down.
> 
> A real engraver would probably have shifted everything just a little so
> it fell in place looking like he had done nothing extraordinary at all.
> There are many things to be desired in LilyPond whose implementation
> would require algorithms much more sophisticated than those we have now.
> And until a crew of such genius to do that comes about, we have to live
> with making manual adjustments. That’s the point I was trying to make.
> It’s not like this could be fixed by changing a few settings.
> 
I know it's a hard problem. I've moaned about it, and I understand the
difficulties.

But I'd love to see you make a quick page turn when your music is
clamped to the stand with four or five clothes pegs or magnetic clamps -
where you've got to hold your instrument with one hand, and unclamp,
turn, and reclamp it with the other, and you've only got one or two bars
to do it in. I've seen far too many sheets of music - my own included -
get whipped away by the wind when you try. THAT is what I mean by
unplayable - I don't have the luxury of playing in a nice building where
I can rely on my music staying (for the most part - I have known that
problem in a concert hall :-) where I put it.

Take today, I had a piece of music with turns between pages 1 & 2, and
between 3 & 4. Plenty of time with rests if I was giving a recital in a
hall or something, it only takes a couple of seconds per turn. But out
in the park, it was hard to stop the music blowing everywhere even
though it was clamped - I was trying to play my trombone one-handed
while also trying to make sure my music didn't take off.

Cheers,
Wol