Re: Re: What can Premusic do that others can't?

[Jeffery Shivers]

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:04 PM,  <address@hidden> wrote:
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> Fermatas I want to discuss with others before I make very specific plans. I
> don't see much reason for an entire newline of squares for fermatas, when
> "daa!" could be equivalent to "daaa" with a fermata. That's just one way to
> do it.
>
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> --------- Original Message ---------
> Subject: Re: What can Premusic do that others can't?
> From: "Malte Meyn" <address@hidden>
> Date: 3/20/17 5:14 pm
> To: address@hidden
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> Am 20.03.2017 um 22:48 schrieb address@hidden:
>> These are the first measures of Beethoven's Fifth in premusic.
>
> This is missing tempo, fermatas and dynamics.
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> --------- Original Message ---------
> Subject: Re: What can Premusic do that others can't?
> From: "David Kastrup" <address@hidden>
> Date: 3/20/17 5:16 pm
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> <address@hidden> writes:
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>> Why don't I ask you to name a notation that does something that
>> Parallel Squares could NOT do? Or, if I reversed the roles, and every
>> tune on http://abcnotation.com were in my notation, and I approached,
>> telling you about the ABC or GUIDO notation I invented, would you see
>> any merit in it, or any real reason to implement ABC or GUIDO... Ever?
>
> Sure. LilyPond was created by the same authors who wrote Mpp, a music
> preprocessor for MusiXTeX which is somewhat similarly compact and
> cryptic as your proposal.
>
> Semilinear notations haven't made the race in math (how great it would
> be if you'd express every mathematical formula in FORTRAN, how easy to
> understand and derive proofs, right?) or in music (Gregorian neumes are
> basically linearly written and preceded the square notation which
> followed it).
>
> How do you expect to notate heptuplets against trioles? Least common
> multiple? Good luck reading your voice as set against that of other
> voices and figuring out the relation to the beat. Have you tried
> setting some polyrhythmic Chopin with your system and actually _playing_
> it?
>
> What is your actual musical background and proficiency?
>
>> But in any case, I am not a programmer, and have never participated in
>> the creation of free software.
>
> Are you a musician? What instrument do you play at what level of
> proficiency?
>
>> Before you dismiss my format, and now that you have a sense for how it
>> works, I implore you to at least try composing in a text editor, any
>> piece of music, simple for now, to feel how natural it is. Think about
>> what this could do - one could comfortably convey all the information
>> conveyed by sheet music, using only notepad.exe.
>
> Reality check: LilyPond source can be written using only notepad.exe and
> conveys all the information written down. So can abc. So can Mpp,
> MusixTeX, MuTeX and others.
>
>> There's nothing like it.
>
> That is not valuable in itself.
>
> --
> David Kastrup
>
> I am having trouble finding examples of MPP code to look at. Could you help
> me out? And what about my code is so cryptic? Can't anyone read a
> "dadadaaa"?

No. Probably for the same reason *anyone* can't just read binary code.

You might be able to sell that to those violin playing robots in Japan though.

>
> I want to look at algebra at a later date. I feel it's fallen victim to the
> same issues as premusic - over-reverence of centuries-old notation - but I
> don't yet have an easy solution. It's more than just linearity - it's about
> designing a file format with a keyboard from the ground up, and not writing
> the information down on paper as has been done for centuries and basing your
> file format off of that.
>
> Yes, least common multiple for your obscure polyrhythms. It would work, and
> unless we start talking about pi-lets, it's the sensible way.
>
> I play guitar and a few instruments very well by most people's standards,
> though I'm sure many of you would outshine me. I compose much music that is
> at least a little complicated, and out of frustration with all existing
> notation softwares prior to my format, I have never scored it. But who cares
> if I only play the tinwhistle? It doesn't make my file format into any less
> of the most sensible plaintext file format for premusic.
>
> So Lilypond and MusixTex can be agonizingly written down by hand. They
> weren't optimized for that purpose, and are designed to render in an
> entirely different and intensive layout - mine can be comfortably and
> quickly composed in AND displayed and read in notepad.exe. Again, I implore
> you to at least try composing music in my format.
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