Re: Changing voice order...

[Alexander Kobel]

On 2016-11-02 11:35, David Kastrup wrote:
> Alexander Kobel <address@hidden> writes:
>
> > On 2016-11-02 11:20, David Kastrup wrote:
> > > Alexander Kobel <address@hidden> writes:
> > >
> > > > I mostly set vocal music - typically clean SATB with exactly four
> > > > voices on either two or four staves, but sometimes a voice splits to
> > > > two or three in between.  In that case, I'll almost always have a
> > > > four-staves situation.  This screams for << \\ >> or << \\ \\ >>.
> > > >
> > > > However, I attach lyrics to the voices, and that's why I give them
> > > > sensible names - namely, "sop" (or "soprano"), "alt", etc.  The
> > > > implicit voice naming with << \\ >> means that I have to split my
> > > > lyrics to separate context, or I'll have to rename the voices inside
> > > > << \\ >>.
> > >
> > > No, it just means that your lyrics have to follow the staff rather than
> > > a single voice unless your lyrics split as well.
> > >
> > > Can't find the issue number where this was made to work.  Still has
> > > problems with overlapping melismata if I remember correctly, so maybe
> > > that's why it's not advertised prominently.
> >
> > Hum.  You mean if I name the staff instead of the voices, I can create
> > lyrics that follow all voices that are active on this staff?
> > Doesn't seem to work, but I might not have the right syntax.
>
> It's a 2.19 thing.

Post-2.19.49?  Because that's what I tested with (without knowing what 
syntax might be required, though):

\version "2.19.49"
sop = \relative c'' {
  c4 c c c
  << { c c } \\ { g4. g8 } >> c4 c
}
\score {
  <<
    \new Staff = "sop" \sop
    \new Lyrics \lyricsto "sop" { a b c d e f g h }
  >>
}

test.ly:9:17: warning: cannot find Voice `sop'

    \new Lyrics
                \lyricsto "sop" { a b c d e f g h }

> > By the way, your reply to Werner shows pretty much what I actually
> > would consider useful: :-)
> >
> > > [...]
> > > The problem I see right away with that is that it is useful.  How is
> > > that a problem?
> > >
> > > <<
> > >   \new Voice = "soprano" {
> > >      ...
> > >      \voices 1,soprano << ... \\ ... >>
> > >      ...
> > >   }
> > >   \lyricsto "soprano" { ... }
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Lo and behold, we have a solution for an old problem.
> > > [...]
>
> That one can actually be done sort-of right away.  It would likely
> cement the "2"/\voiceTwo/2nd item relation however.  Which is sort of
> the opposite of the proposal I started this discussion with.

I see, and totally agree.  It's just something to keep in mind.


Cheers,
Alexander