Re: lilypond teaching material

[Gilles]

Hello.

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:49:04 +0200, BB wrote:
> I just read
>
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/learning/entering-input.html
> (again). I find that is a good basis for such an introduction,

IIRC, someone (among the most prominent current or past developers)
once stated that this first example being compilable by lilypond had
been a big mistake.

Perhaps it was meant to show people that text input is not scary.
But its simplicity is deceitful: no actual score is that simple; even
a monophonic instrument part should not be encoded that way.

> but I
> think it needs some beef up to become more entertaining than
> lecturing. But I actually do not have an idea how to manage that? In
> my opinion there are much more instructive examples and exercises for
> reinforcement learning needed.

The strategy will probably depend on the target audience and purpose.

IMHO, the starting point should be a real score whose input contains
all the bits that most people would use in the majority of their
projects: score (and MIDI) blocks, header, systems, full score and
instrument parts.

A composer/publisher will not be scared that a work needs to have
some kind of organization/layout.

Some people will be afraid (i.e. won't be interested) by text input
whatever advantage list you will throw at them.
Those should be taught how to use a [FLOSS GUI] that depends on
LilyPond for its rendering.


Best regards,
Gilles

> On 16.09.2015 11:24, Urs Liska wrote:
> > Am 16.09.2015 um 11:14 schrieb BB:
> > > Obviously the Lilypond users are overaged?
> > I very much hope that our recent "inofficial survey" is biased for
> > whatever reasons. But I admit this impression is very strong.
> >
> > > Is there a kind of "curriculum", eventually with Open Office 
> > > overhead
> > > slides ready to use for an introductory training on an adult 
> > > education
> > > center (in Germany Volkshochschule (VHS)) available.
> > Not that I know of, but it's a good idea, and I've had the wish to 
> > start
> > compiling such material for quite a long time. Unfortunately that
> > probably won't happen without a concrete opportunity.
> >
> > > May be some
> > > skilled users ma offer such an itroduction to raise lilyponds
> > > popularity? Usually there are offered weekend workshops or courses
> > > regular an evening per week for people in work. Eventually it might 
> > > be
> > > used in music education on schools?
> > Good idea.
> > I know that in some universities there are people offering LilyPond
> > courses, with mixed result/acceptance. But it definitely should be 
> > much
> > more, and I think people should get hooked to text based tools as 
> > early
> > as possible, before they are too much tied to their shiny 
> > clickediclick
> > tools.
> >
> > Urs
> >
> > > Regards