Re: Can't find right hand fingering without string #'s

[David Raleigh Arnold]

On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 14:02:12 +0200
Thomas Morley <address@hidden> wrote:

> 2015-08-16 12:58 GMT+02:00 BB <address@hidden>:
> > \version "2.18.0"
> > #(set-global-staff-size 25)
> >
> > {
> >       \override TextScript.color = #red
> >      c4^p c4-p c-2 c-3 c-4
> >      c^\markup { \finger "2 - 3" }
> > }
> >
> >
> > I think I understand what you think to be wrong.
> > Obviously you are refrencing to version 2.10.33 stable branch of ilypond
> > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.10/Documentation/user/lilypond/Fingering-instructions
> > I cannot find that chapter in subsequent manuals.
> >
> >
> > There are two systems to mark the fingering with guitar, one with an number,
> > the other with characters p, i, etc.
> > Obviously newer versions of lilypond handle the characters simply as markup
> > and not so special as in version 2.10. So the minus in front of a p ("-p")
> > obviously will be handled as a _p and the p printed under the note. I do not
> > know if that is an error or a mistake in developing to higer versions of
> > lilypond. I cannot tell you if developers find that faulty and are willing
> > to make a correction?
> >
> >
> > The simple way for the moment is to use a "^" instead of a "-". So the
> > "markup" will be printed above the note.
> >
> > Regards anyway
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 16.08.2015 12:13, Simon Albrecht wrote:
> >
> > { c"p" }
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> { c'1-"p" }
> 
> is a shortcut for
> 
> { c'1-\markup { "p" } }
> 
> both a TextScript.
> Primarely, the direction to place the markup is done looking at
> TextScripts 'direction property. Default is DOWN.
> If the TextScript is prepended with a dash "-" the default is taken.
> This may be changed by using other direction-indicators like "^" or "_".
> Obviously "_" is the default, but look at the following to see its usage:
> 
> { \voiceOne c'1-"p" c'1_"p" }
> 
> Here the default was changed already by \voiceOne. Ofcourse it can be
> modified as shown.
> 
> Fingerings are indications, which finger to use.
> For the guitar it means, which finger should be placed on the fret.
> The direction is calculated by a procedure: 
> ly:script-interface::calc-direction
> But can be changed using direction-indicators or by setting
> fingeringOrientations
> 
> { c'1-1 c'1_1 }
> 
> For the guitar printing StrokeFinger is often needed/wanted.
> >From NR:
> 
> {
>   \clef "treble_8"
>   c4\rightHandFinger #1
>   e\rightHandFinger #2
>   g\rightHandFinger #3
>   c'\rightHandFinger #4
>   <c\rightHandFinger #1 e\rightHandFinger #2
>    g\rightHandFinger #3 c'\rightHandFinger #4 >1
> }
> 
> The default is to place them to the right of the note.
> But can be changed using direction-indicators or by setting
> strokeFingerOrientations.
> 
> {
>   \clef "treble_8"
>   c4_\rightHandFinger #1
>   c4^\rightHandFinger #1
> }
> 
> The quite verbose \rightHandFinger #1 can be shortened as already
> shown in this thread.
> Let me quote NR again:
> 
> #(define RH rightHandFinger)
> 
> \relative c {
>   \clef "treble_8"
> 
>   \set strokeFingerOrientations = #'(up down)
>   <c-\RH #1 e-\RH #2 g-\RH #3 c-\RH #4 >4
> 
>   \set strokeFingerOrientations = #'(up right down)
>   <c-\RH #1 e-\RH #2 g-\RH #3 c-\RH #4 >4
> 
>   \set strokeFingerOrientations = #'(left)
>   <c-\RH #1 e-\RH #2 g-\RH #3 c-\RH #4 >2
> }
> 
> In every case prepending a post-event with "-" means, let LilyPond
> choose where to print.
> This can be set/overridden in various mannors.
> 
> Soooooo, I've not the slightest idea where you see
> errors/mistakes/faulty behaviour here.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Harm
> 
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Fingering should never be even with a note head and to the right. Never never 
never...

It is read, and should be read, as pertaining to the next note. Regards, Rale