Re: See the new music fonts in action

[Urs Liska]

Second comment to this message:

Am 26.07.2014 12:17, schrieb Janek Warchoł:
> Hi,
>
> WOW!! just... wow!
>
> 2014-07-26 1:14 GMT+02:00 tisimst <address@hidden>:
> > All,
> >
> > I couldn't wait any longer, so here's a formal announcement about the new
> > music fonts that I've been working on, by way of example. They are all 100%
> > LilyPond compatible for both PDF and SVG output. They all (except Gonville)
> > support the full LilyPond glyph set (up to LilyPond version 2.18.2).
> >
> > So far, there are now 9 music fonts in addition to LilyPond's default
> > *Emmentaler* (also called /Feta/ in the official docs). Here's a taste test:
> >
> > - *Amadeus* (SCORE look-a-like):
> >
> > SCORE comparison <https://db.tt/pN6iRsgH>
> >
> > Can you guess which one is really engraved using SCORE?
>
> Bottom one:
> - slurs have different thickness and shape,
> - stems and ledgers are thinner than in LilyPond,
> - staccato placement on stems differ,
> - rest placement in polyphony differs,
> - "dim" font is different
>
> Nevertheless, it is very similar :)

I think it would be good to put the stylesheet stuff in openlilylib.
As long as we don't distribute the fonts themselves with LilyPond it 
seems strange to provide stylesheets with LilyPond. And having them in 
the openlilylib library is still very accessible.

I suggest defining (at least) two "stylesheets" for each font: One which 
is simply a shorthand for activating the font(s) and another one 
providing additional style adjustments that may be necessary (like Joram 
described/implemented in the SMuFL adaptor). Additionally there can be 
one or more stylesheets to achieve a certain "house" style.

Having them in openlilylib will also make it easier to improve the 
styles collaboratively.

Ah, BTW: What would be absolutely awesome is a font like Henle's 
notation font. I would really like to see how such a font would behave 
together with Kieren's amazing Henle style sheets.

> > - *Cadence* (a tweaked Emmentaler by me):
> >
> > Grieg's Piano Concerto in A-minor (Adagio) <https://db.tt/icYgT0M3>
>
> Nice!  I'd say that the beams are a tad too thick, but looks good overall.
>
> > - *Gutenberg1939* (old removeable-type style):
> >
> > Canon in 3 Voices <https://db.tt/RBjSKBLK>
>
> Looks fancy!
>
> > - *Haydn* (like a classic Edition Peters style):
> >
> > Magnificat <https://db.tt/CX14jc3z>
> >
> > You can compare this with a commercial version (Kapellmeister) on the
> > Sibelius Blog from a few months back:
> >
> > Original Score
> > <http://www.sibeliusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Magnificat-in-D-BWV-243.pdf>
> > Kapellmeister on Sibelius
> > <http://www.sibeliusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/magnificat-Full-Score-dragged.pdf>
>
> "Our" version looks better :D

Definitely! :-)

> In particular, our notehead shape is
> much more like the original - although the flags are significantly
> differrent.

And the "natural" and dense spacing is significantly better.

> > - *LilyJAZZ* (a pseudo-handwritten style, originally by Torsten Hämmerle):
> >
> > Crazy Jazz Tests <https://db.tt/T1WwGLiz>
> >
> > This has been upgraded a bunch, by myself and others, including a complete
> > glyph set (notation and text) and updated chord font.
>
> cool!
>
> > - *Paganini* (remapping of Kristof Bastiensen's /Parnassus/, originally for
> > MuseScore):
> >
> > Nalada (Paganini) <https://db.tt/GdyXV0kX>
> >
> > - *Profondo* (Bravura anyone? This is a remapping of Daniel Spreadbury's
> > SMuFL-compliant font):
> >
> > Nalada (Profondo) <https://db.tt/1B9JoPz0>
> >
> > Compare this with  Bravura in Sibelius
> > <http://blog.steinberg.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fibich-bravura.pdf>  .
>
> It would be great to have the engravings done in the same page layout,
> for better comparison.
>
> > - *Ross* (from Ted Ross's famous notation book /The Art of Music Engraving
> > and Processing/, and named after him):
> >
> > Nalada (Ross) <https://db.tt/5uHcypFg>
>
> Hmm.   Somehow this doesn't feel like Ross (although maybe it's
> because i've only seen the scans, not the print).  It seems to me that
> staves and other lines should be thicker.
>
> > I realize that this is a little like drinking from a fire hose, since this
> > has never been done like this before,
>
> indeed!
>
> > but if you're like me, I think you'll
> > like having lots of choices. These are all properly licensed, so they will
> > be free to use, copy, and share!

In all I'd say there are a number of fonts that really give LilyPond a 
wide spectrum of styles, while some others are comparably similar (which 
doesn't make them less valuable, of course).

Well, _if_ there's going to be an infrastructure to switch notation 
fonts in LilyPond, we could consider continuing our effort for a 
"Universal Edition" font that we have started.
In that case we wouldn't have any remapping issues, because that's a 
modification of Emmentaler itself. But on the other hand it's quite 
awkward to work on such a modification in the Metafont sources themselves.

> I LOVE IT!!
> And i would also love to see a post on Lily blog, and a news item -
> this deserves a lot of publicity, it's a major feature IMO!
>
> > If you have any other ideas for music fonts that you'd like to use/create,
> > drop me a line and we'll talk :)

As said, a Henle font would be great.

> > More to come, so stay tuned! Let me know if any of the above links is
> > broken.

Maybe you should integrate these examples/comparisons in the 
fonts.openlilylib.org site?

Best
Urs

> We definitely should gather these in some visible place when all the
> infrastructure for using these fonts is stable.  I think it actually
> deserves to be put on the website!
>
> thanks a ton!
> Janek
>
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