Re: Woodwind Fingering diagrams problem

[Joseph Rushton Wakeling]

On 01/29/2013 09:50 PM, Wim van Dommelen wrote:
> > > 6. Lot's of models have a right-hand low-ees key (with the thumb), There is no
> > > such key. Wishlist.
> >
> > Not recent French models, in my experience, but I agree it's often found.  The
> > trouble is its placement is not uniform.
> The Selmer privilege has one.

Aah, I have not tried out that instrument.  Good to know.

> I dived into Scheme today and it very, very much reminds me of Lisp in which I
> did some small things 25 years ago.

Well, it _is_ Lisp -- a different dialect from Common Lisp, but Lisp 
nevertheless.

Since you're finding it relatively straightforward to play with the Scheme code, 
can I put in a feature request -- any chance of fixing the shape of the register 
key for clarinet/bass clarinet? :-)

> > When you come to extended clarinets, such as the basset clarinet, basset horn,
> > or the low-C bass, contra-alto and contrabass clarinets, there is simply too
> > much variety for a physical diagram to be useful.  In this case the only
> > _reliable_ notation is to indicate keys via name.
> Agreed, but as the key positions are sometimes used for different
> note(-combinations), naming will also be confusing.

Can you clarify with an example?  I presume you mean things like LH to RH little 
finger motions?

> Yes, the idea is very straightforward and matches the images shown in the books
> of both Harry Sparnaay and Henri Bok. The nice thing about a diagram (and
> especially the nice ones from Mike) is that is shows a graphical display in one
> view. And for my old Selmer (the "new model" in Henri's book) you could for
> example play the low-C with the right thumb, but also when playing a low-D and
> using the left f-key with it.

If you're playing the low D with the F key, why not just indicate to use both 
the low D and F keys?  Or have I misunderstood what you mean?

> You mean the system made by Fritz Wurlitzer? Wurlitzer is not Dutch, but German
> ("Deutsch" as we name it). The main difference is the cylinder inside, it has
> different dimensions, different mouthpieces, different reeds and a different
> sound result. The keys are not different as far as I know, only in the very high
> registers. Tomorrow night I'll ask someone in the orchestra who plays on such an
> instrument and I'll try to come back to you with a validated answer.

I know Wurlitzer is German, it's just that I was under the impression that the 
most widespread use of Reform-Boehm instruments was in the Netherlands.  Anyway, 
it was just a curiosity.

> B.t.w. years ago I made a small fingering help-application on my Palm organizer.
> I'm thinking of putting this fingering stuff in a web-database (for fun). There
> are already plenty people who do something like that, but not with the beautiful
> Lilypond diagrams. Just an idea to play with.

I think that could be a great idea.  Better still would be a web app that's 
compatible with phone/tablet use.