AW: piano music with lilypond

[michael.strebl]

Well, i tried to write a piano-piece with parallel music, but as some or you
mentioned in the threat the code gets out of control ( in terms of
readability) very quickly even if you put some tweaks into.

@the current threat regarding parallel music. I think there are only 2
options:

1) it will be difficult for graphical editors to make enhancements like what
you are talking about because the nature ( or more the basic design of
lilypond is to read in a textfile which is done sequentially. Take a look at
some IDEs for programming which supports a Form-designer in a graphical mode
where you can drag and drop buttons, combos, etc. These Form-designers have a
code file ( C++, Java, whatever .. ) where any changes are written to. This
works well until the user ( or the programmer ) uses ONLY the graphical
interface. A lot of these designers get serious problems if the the
programmer decides to enhance this "code-behind" files with code written by
his own. 
We have the same issue here with lilypond. It has a lot more to do with a
programming language then "normal" notation programs have.
Building a visual designer in programs like Frescobaldi ( which is a very
good software at all!!) will not be a trivial task and will take a while.

2) The second approach would be quite radical. It would be to change the core
design of lilypond, with the intention to have better support of designers.
Also not that trivial ;-).

Cheers 
Michael 

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Janek Warchoł [mailto:address@hidden 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. September 2012 10:08
An: Strebl,Mag.,Michael (RIORE) BIG-AT-V
Cc: address@hidden
Betreff: Re: piano music with lilypond

Hi,

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:00 PM,
<address@hidden> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I want to share some thoughts about piano music with you.
> [...]
>
> Lilypond does in my opinion ~70% perfect job, but takes too much control.
> The score looks pretty beautiful at the first glance, but to make it
perfekt
> and complete, you would need such a lot of tweaks or even know how about
how
> to create scheme functions just to get more control over what lilypond does
> with the output. So the effort for tweaking exceeds the effort you have in
> Score by far.

I agree that typesetting piano music is probably the most difficult
thing to do well in Lilypond.

> I am a software developer and have know how about C/C++ and Java but I’m
not
> willing to learn a new programming language just for the sake of music
> notation.

If you mean "i don't like the idea of having to create complex Scheme
functions to get professional engraving results", i agree.

> My impression is, that lilypond is designed for choir-, orchestral- and
> chambermusic- scores, even the approach of how music is entered, shows
that.

You mean that music is entered sequentially, and you cannot see voices
in parallel?  Actually, i have an idea how to improve it.  Look for
"Parallel music view" thread that i will post shortly on user list.

cheers,
Janek