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Re: Lilypond lobbying?


From: Jan-Peter Voigt
Subject: Re: Lilypond lobbying?
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:12:43 +0200
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Hello list,

I don't have to say much, that isn't said in this thread, but I want to stress the musicXML factor:

IMHO its not the point, that *some* composers contests rules discriminate lilypond or any other software.

But I visited several publishing houses and showed the lilypond-engraved pieces I typesetted to get it published and to show my typesetting skills. They said: "Looks nice. Wich software do you use?" And when I told them about lilypond, a lot of them didn't knew about it. But those who knew it said: We want finale or sibelius because we do not have/can not have anybody working with again another software. So I do not always promote that I am working with lilypond - just like some other guys, who implemented some pdf-creating-process for a website and never said, that its based on latex-scripting, because they knew the fear of most common people (thanks for the youtube link Francois ;-) ), when it comes to "nerd-stuff" not backed by a big company *and* where you can't pay certified specialists. There are these big OSS projects like apache webserver or apache tomcat, for wich you can get support by "certified" people. And if you write a web-application and use it in tomcat, you should be able to use it also in another container.

Lilypond uses its own source-language, wich is AFAIK not adopted by another application. But it seems that musicXML is such a standard, wich is understood by finale (I know some guys who are doing a really great job with that software), sibelius or e.g. primus ( http://www.columbussoft.de/?lang=en ). It seems to have an output of good quality and there are publishing houses using it. That software uses musicXML as its standard format. Scorio ( http://www.scorio.com/ ) uses lilypond as rendering engine, but to import music and to save it in the database, they use musicXML. And I have a fading memory that finale uses or will use musicXML as its standard format in recent or upcoming versions.

So, you can use musicxml2ly to get some lily-file from any of the mentioned notation apps. But there is no way back. I love lilypond, because it looks nice by only typing some notes and if I have fun tweaking it, it looks even nicer.
And I can use git to get my laptop, netbook and workstation synchronized.

I know, there are people outside lilys world, looking at the advantages of text-based input. You can efficently use GIT or any other CVS to get your work organized and archived.
And you can use scripting to add infos and such.
And if you find an old version, you will have a chance to still use it.

The same is true for musicXML - it's also text.

I really would appreciate a musicXML backend. If it would output the notes in the first place, it would be a start and helping all of us, trying to sell our skills.

Cheers,
Jan-Peter


Am 18.08.2011 17:42, schrieb Robert Schmaus:
I even feel I have to come to those guys' defence - zero of my
professional as well as non-professional musical friends knew (of)
LilyPond before I told them, and I don't think many of them will use it
because they prefer the apparent comfort of
point-and-click-WYSIWYG-kind-of-programs. Whereas all of them use
Sibelius or, occasionally, Finale.

Also, I don't know any of the numerous other scorewriting programs that
are available out there, so I cannot judge the quality of those. So, I
don't want to step on anyone's toes, but let's just assume that they are
inferior to Sibelius and Finale.

So it might very well be that there is some commercial background to
that contest rule ... but it might also just be that the judges want
typeset scores of decent quality, and for all they know only Sibelius or
Finale deliver that. I wouldn't call that stupid ... maybe a bit
narrow-minded (in particular because they exclude any musical genius who
doesn't know computers from their contest), and certainly annoying for
us here. I still wait for their response, though. A-and I found the idea
of including a "make-it-look-crappy-like-sibelius-engraver" very
amusing!

Rob





On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:20 +0300, "Dmytro O. Redchuk"
<address@hidden>  wrote:
On Thu 18 Aug 2011, 08:32 Francois Planiol wrote:
- They are totally stupid and
On Thu 18 Aug 2011, 09:49 Francois Planiol wrote:
So stupid guys
:-)

ps. Not too constructive criticism, I'd say.

--
   Dmytro O. Redchuk                        "Easy to use" is easy to say.
   Bug Squad                                             -- Jeff Garbers

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