Re: Woodwind diagrams in lilypond

[Ian Hulin]

Hi Mike,
This is really useful, but there's one nit regarding the flute fingerings,

Not all flutes have a bottom b, and therefore the right-hand low-end key 
cluster will only have the bottom C# (cis) key, and one c roller.

What is the right-hand x key about on the piccolo chart?

If you can add something to use the relevant key-cluster appropriately 
that would be good.

On 31/05/10 02:03, M Watts wrote:
> On 05/31/2010 02:10 AM, Mike Solomon wrote:
> > Dear lilypond users,
> > I am currently working on adding woodwind diagrams to lilypond, and I
> > would love to hear lilypond users' opinions on this project.
>
> An excellent idea -- contrats on the work so far.
>
> > Specifically, I would like to know from woodwind players and/or
> > enthusiasts:
> >
> > 1) Are the diagrams correct in their nomenclature and positioning?
>
> One vital thing:--
>
> The 'one', 'two' thru 'six' for the main keys/holes on all instruments
> are round the wrong way -- 'one' means first finger, left hand. So 'one'
> should be at the top, and 'six' at the bottom.

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Some w/w tutors also use a L1, L2, L3, R1 R2 R3 numbering system, but 
the low numbers are *always* at the headjoint end of the instrument and 
increase down to the footjoint end.

> Several minor things:--
>
> Could the separator line between lh & rh key be a bit longer?
>
> I like the way you only include relevant key clusters -- no need to show
> every key every time.
>
> Oboe: rh c cis & ees keys are usually of equal size
>
> Saxophone: front f could be a bit bigger and closer to lh one; palm keys
> could be a bit bigger (lh d ees & f); rh side keys could be a bit bigger
> (side bes, side c, high e). Maybe add baritone sax low A thumb key?

Similar point to the low-b on the flute.  Not all makes have this.

> Clarinet: maybe T & R could be a bit smaller.
>
> Bass clarinet: some horns have an additional ees/aes lever in the lh
> little finger cluster; low c horns might have a 6th key for rh little
> finger (for low d), as well as 3 keys for rh thumb (low d, des, c)
>
> > 2) Do the diagrams meet the standard of visual elegance to which you hold
> > lilypond?
>
> I reckon so -- they're looking really nice; I like the ability to
> indicate depressedRing-to-open trills etc.
> > If you are interested in extending this project to other instruments,
> > please
> > let me know.
>
> Maybe recorder, tin whistle, bagpipes
Baroque flute, Simple-system flute (pre-Boehm keyed - used by 'Irish 
traditional music flute players).
Simple-system clarinet.  French-system bassoon.
> > The code is written as such so that someone who knows how to
> > use Scheme should be able to, by observing the way that the
> > instruments are
> > constructed, make their own instrument in the same manner.
>
> Very handy.
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Cheers,

Ian