Re: Absolute Spanish Beginners

[Daniel Tonda Castillo]

David Bobroff wrote:
> Pierre Abbat wrote:
> > On Wednesday 27 December 2006 18:21, Daniel Tonda Castillo wrote:
> > > Claves/Llaves
Professional musicians in Mexico usually refer to "Clave de Sol"  
meaning G clef. In popular slang, people refer to the "Llave de Sol", 
meaning G Clef. So as to not alienate anyone, initially I thought that 
including both terms would encompass a broader spectrum. Far was I to 
realize that spanish has so many variants and there may be other terms 
that apply more exactly.
> > I suppose one is "key" and one is "clef", but as they are both 
> > cognates of "clef", which is which?
> >
> > > Métrica de compás
> > >
> > > Armaduras mayores y menores
> > >
> > > Valores rítmicos
> > >
> > > Sostenidos y bemoles
> >
> > Some months ago Eudy was teaching an introduction to music notation 
> > and used this term. I took it to mean "sustained", and called sharp 
> > "diesis". I later looked it up in her dictionary (general, not 
> > musical) and found that "diesis" and "sostenido" both mean "sharp" 
> > and "sostenuto" is what I was thinking of.
From the "Diccionario Harvard de Música", México (translated):
Sostenido /Germ. Kreuz; Fr. Diese; Eng. Sharp; It. Diesis. The # symbol 
indicates the elevation of the tone of a note by a half step...

Sostenuto, sostenendo /It./ To sustain a note longer than the nominal 
value or beyond it and thus, reducing the tempo. Andante sostenuto means 
slow andante.

> > > No se preocupe aún por los naturales/becuadros. Explicaremos esto 
> > > cuando
> > > lleguemos a las armaduras.
> >
> > I say drop "naturales". "Becuadros" is well known, at least to me who 
> > learned the French word first, and can't be confused with anything else.
Also from the Diccionario Harvard de Música (transl):
Natural. (1) That note which is neither sharp nor flat. i.e. G natural, 
in opposition to G sharp or G flat. (2) The sign (natural sign), which 
indicates the natural note in the case where the note would otherwise be 
altered, be it by means of a key signature or a previous accidental.
> I haven't been following this thread so forgive me if I'm throwing in 
> ignorant input, but here goes:
>
> I learned Spanish musical terms as a result of playing in an orchestra 
> in Spain for a year.  I recall that "natural" was the word I heard 
> being used.  As for "bemoles" and "becuardros"; are they actually 
> written that way, or is it; b-moles (round B's) and b-cuadros 
> [cuadratos?] (square B's)?
>
> The word for "sharp" that was used was "sostenido".
>
> -David
>
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