On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 02:16:40PM -0500, Trevor Ba?a wrote:
> On 6/23/06, V!ictor address@hidden <address@hidden> wrote:
> >On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 10:47:02PM -0500, Trevor Ba?a wrote:
> >> On 6/22/06, V!ctor address@hidden <address@hidden> wrote:
> >> >Hi,
> >> >
> >> >I would like to have grace notes spaced proportionally to their
> >> >durations, like this:
> >> >http://music.columbia.edu/~vadan/lilypond/proportional_gracenotesB.pdf
> >> >
> >> >I thought that using proportionalNotationDuration would do it, but it
> >> >only affects the "real" notes. Here's what I get:
> >> >http://music.columbia.edu/~vadan/lilypond/proportional_gracenotes.pdf
> >> >with the following code:
> >> >
> >> >%
> >>
>
>>*********************************************************************************
> >> >\version "2.9.7"
> >> >\include "english.ly"
> >> >
> >> >\layout{
> >> > \context{ \Score
> >> > % proportional notation ------------------
> >> > proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 32)
> >> > \override SpacingSpanner #'strict-note-spacing = ##t
> >> > \override SpacingSpanner #'uniform-stretching = ##t
> >> > }
> >> >}
> >> >
> >> >% THIS ...
> >> >\new Voice{\afterGrace c''2. { c''32 c''8 c''32 c''16} c''4 c''2 c''2}
> >> >% OR ...
> >> >\new Voice{ c''2. \grace{ c''32 c''8 c''32 c''16} c''4 c''2 c''2}
> >> >%
> >>
>
>>*********************************************************************************
> >> >
> >> >>From looking at 6.5.7 in the manual (2.9), I can see it should be
> >> >possible, maybe somehow changing the 'grace note timing', but I can't
> >> >figure out how.
> >> >How could I do this? Is there an easier way?
> >>
> >> Hi Victor,
> >>
> >> I know grace notes have all sorts of interesting properties in
> >> LilyPond, but I haven't played around with them yet myself.
> >>
> >> Would it be possible to put the grace notes in their own voice and
> >> simply shrink the #'size attributes of the notes, stems, flags, etc,
> >> in that separate grace voice?
> >>
> >> That way the notes would *space* exactly like normal notes and you
> >> could manually reduce the graphic *size* of the notes.
> >>
> >> Would that work?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Trevor Bača
> >> address@hidden
> >
> >Hi Trevor,
> >
> >That works, and that's what I did to get this:
> >http://music.columbia.edu/~vadan/proportional_gracenotesB.pdf
> >
> >but I was hoping there was an easier way... having two voices to represent
> >one complicates things a bit. For example, if you want to connect notes
> >with a glissando, like this:
> >http://music.columbia.edu/~vadan/proportional_gracenotes2.pdf
> >
> >How do you connect to notes from different voices with the gliss?
>
> Ah, good point.
>
> >Here's another idea to keep it all in one voice:
> >
> >% ***********************************************************************
> >\version "2.9.7"
> >\include "english.ly"
> >
> >\new Voice{c''2.*2/3 {\autoBeamOff \set fontSize =#-3 c''32 c''8 c''32
> >c''16}\set fontSize=#1 c''4 c''2 c''2}
> >
> >% ***********************************************************************
> >
> >Any other ideas?
> >
>
> This is exactly what I would do: manually control the graphic
> appearance of the grace figures. The only thing I don't like about
> that is having to use the scalar against the first (dotted) half-note.
> Just seems a little hacky.
Yes it does.
>
> Of course there's always the sponsorship route to just directly
> request that -- when some flag or something is set, like
> proportionalGraceSpacing = ##t -- that grace notes space exactly like
> normal notes *backwards* from the note they immediately precede.
>
yes, this is what seems would be the ideal solution... my guess is it should
not be difficult. notice how in 6.5.7, fourth example, how the grace notes
*are* proportionally spaced when two voices running together have them in the
same time interval.
> Actually, how would that work? Let's say we have two short notes with
> graces in between:
>
> \new Voice{c''16 {\autoBeamOff \set fontSize =#-3 c''32 c''8 c''32
> c''16}\set fontSize=#1 c''16}
>
> In that case what should happen? Should the intervening graces cause
> either of the "normal" notes to move? Or what? Or does it not matter
> because we would never notate such a thing?
>
hmm, i would assume this would be wrong and that lily would give an error. the condition
for this to work would be that the sum of all the grace notes be strictly smaller than
that of the "real" note preceding them.