Re: note and dynamics collisions in lilypond

[Stephen]

Mats wrote:
From: "Mats Bengtsson" <address@hidden>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: note and dynamics collisions in lilypond


> Quoting Stephen <address@hidden>:
>
> > Mats wrote:
> > From: "Mats Bengtsson" <address@hidden>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: note and dynamics collisions in lilypond
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Quoting Erik Sandberg <address@hidden>:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> This kind of emails should go to the mailing lists (either -user
> > >> or -devel).
> > >> CC:d to lilypond-user.
> > >>
> > >> On Saturday 02 July 2005 21.51, Stephen wrote:
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > Have you heard whether there is a move to eliminate collisions 
> > >> > between
> > >> > notes and dynamics?
> > >>
> > >> dynamics work the same way as text.
> > > Except that the properties should be set on another layout object
> > > than the TextScript.
> >
> > That would be DynamicText. I just started extra-offset to move those 
> > around.
>
> Actually, as long as you just want to just want to adjust the
> vertical position, it's better to set the padding property of
> the DynamicLineSpanner object (see the reference in the manual
> section on Dynamics), so (de)crescendi get aligned the same way
> as the absolute dynamics.

vertical position? I am not sure what that means, I want to move the dynamic 
text to the left. Absolute Dynamics by themselves are just text with no 
span, whereas hairpins and crescendi do have a span. I am saying that it 
should be a standard option to place an Absolute Dynanic to the left of a 
note, not a Haripin. Hairpins can only be placed above or below the notes 
they are attached to.

Does anyone know the difference between DynamicLineSpanner and 
DynamicTextSpanner?
> > But it needs to have even more of a distinction from text than it has;
> > unlike text which is a line and has a horizontal span which can only be
> > meaningfully placed above or below the note it is attatched to, an 
> > absolute
> > dynamic is more of a symbol which should be able to be placed above, 
> > below,
> > or to the left of the note, like a fingering indication. In fact, 
> > Absolute
> > Dynamics are typically to the left of its note in piano music when they 
> > are
> > not centered between the staves. When they are running horizontally 
> > between
> > the staves, the Dynamic is meant to affect all voices simutaneously.
>
> I haven't seen dynamics to the left of a note, but I don't play piano
> that often. On the other hand, I haven't seen any similar feature request
> earlier on the mailing lists, so I guess the main developers would
> appreciate some references (send them to lilypond-devel).

You're right, the most common placement of dynamics in piano music is 
between the staves and not directly attached to any particular note. So use 
the Piano centered dynamics Template for that. But if you discount the 
dynamics centered between the staves and the dynamics attached to a Hairpin 
or  DynamicTextSpanner, then of the Absolute Dynamics specifically attached 
to a note are attached below the note, above the note, or to the left of the 
note. This usually occurs in polyphonic music and the dynamic is meant to 
affect the voice the note is in, not both staves.

As an example of what I am talking about, I am attaching the Preludium I am 
working on from Shoenberg's Keyboard Suite, Op. 25.

Stephen

>   /Mats

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