RE: Problem with partial

[Anthony Youngman]

The repeat sign probably should include a double bar line ...

In my type of music (concert, brass band) it is quite normal to put a
double bar line in the middle of a bar when there is a major section
change, eg at the Trio. I've never come across a repeat in the middle of
a bar, though...

Cheers,
Wol 

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Sent: 07 July 2006 17:31
To: Mats Bengtsson
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Subject: Re: Problem with partial


Ah, ok; I understand.  Still, I think that using \partial in this 
situation is kind of abuse that accidentally works.  I guess the real 
problem here is that lily models repeat signs as bar lines; but I am
also 
wondering how a repeat sign should actually look like, if it does not 
coincide with the bound of a bar (it probably should not consist of a 
vertical line)...

Greetings,
Juergen

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Mats Bengtsson wrote:

> One common example where people today use it in the middle of a score
is 
> repeats, where the repeat sign is in the middle of a bar
> (especially in combination with prima/secunda volta). Currently,
LilyPond 
> doesn't automatically take this into account. Of course, the best
solution in 
> this situation would be if LilyPond treated the measure position
correctly 
> for repeats.
>
>  /Mats
>
> Quoting Juergen Reuter <address@hidden>:
>
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> please note that \partial or \upbeat, whatever you call it, has 
>> musicologically a special meaning: the first, incomplete bar, and the
last 
>> bar of a piece or of a major section of a piece (typically the bar
before 
>> the next "||" bar glyph) should sum up to a complete bar.
>> 
>> For example, if a song with 4/4 meter starts with "\partial 4 f4",
the last 
>> bar should, by convention, have a total length of 3 quarter notes.
Having 
>> said that, you never should use "\partial" or "\upbeat" somewhere
within a 
>> piece.  If lily nevertheless accepts it within a piece without
issuing an 
>> error or warning, I consider this a bug.
>> 
>> Having a bar within a piece that differs in length from the
foreassigned 
>> meter is a different concept.
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> Juergen
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Graham Percival wrote:
>> 
>>> Erik Sandberg wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday 05 July 2006 17:54, Graham Percival wrote:
>>>>> IMO, \partial is just fine.  If there's some confusion, by all
means we
>>>>> can clarify the docs.  As always, I gratefully accept any specific
>>>>> recommendations for doc changes.
>>>> 
>>>> IMHO using \partial in the middle of a bar is confusing; I think
there 
>>>> should be some other command that sets the length of an individual
bar. 
>>>> Do you think it would make sense to invent such a command?
>>> 
>>> I'd rather keep the behavior of \partial -- ie "add an extra X
duration to 
>>> this bar", rather than "this bar should have X duration".  That
said, I 
>>> suppose we could rename \partial to \addTime or something like that.
I 
>>> don't think that \upbeat is appropriate, but we could find some
other 
>>> name.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> - Graham
>>> 
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