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Re: CVS questions
Re: CVS questions
Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:11:20 -0400
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Bulgrien, Kevin wrote:
I had explored the ideas of using branches and tags but quite
frankly, it was very confusing so to be on the safe side, I simply
cloned the 6.3 (\CVSROOT\WC6\) repository to \CVSROOT\WC7 and
checked out WC7.
Wildcat! I used to run a BBS for a local university in the late 80's...
I used Wildcat. Talk about a blast from the past. I would have had no
idea it was still around.
You probably used the DOS version. In 96, the Windows/Internet version
was released, made a big blast in the emerging internet world as one
of the first integrated hosting system, but as we all know, the free
WEB world did not help it or other commercial systems. However
fortunately, it survived in the corporate world. The Business Support
Model is still fundamental. When your doctor files an insurance claim
on your behalf, the odds are very good, somewhere in the network loop,
there are wildcat! file exchange servers collecting all the claims.
Strangest thing, we are getting bothered more and more with the free
hobbiest world again - something is happening out there. Its getting
harder? Two much they have to put together? Who knows. <g>
Anyway, thanks for your input there.
I'm not sure why branching is confusing. It's very simple.
mkdir repository sandbox6
cvs -d /home/kbulgrien/tmp/repository init
cvs -d /home/kbulgrien/tmp/repository co .
echo "this is version 6" >source.txt
cvs add source.txt
cvs commit -m "v6 example" source.txt
echo "v6.3" >source.txt
cvs commit -m "v6.3" source.txt
cvs tag v6_3
cvs tag v7_0_BEGIN
cvs tag -b v7_0_DEVEL
cvs -d /home/kbulgrien/tmp/repository co -r v7_0_DEVEL .
echo "this is the first v7 change
echo "this is the first v7 change" >source.txt
cvs commit -m "add v7 feature"
/home/kbulgrien/tmp/sandbox6 contains your version 6 sources
and sandbox7 contains your version 7 sources. From either
sandbox, though, you can check the differences to each other.
cvs diff -r v6_3
See what I mean. Not so simple. <g>
Seriously, it all does seems simple. But there seems to be many
things to watch for. I explored and it was just too confusing where
you will need helper batch files or frontends to do things like above.
No way I would of figured out the above. Nonetheless, I appreciate
the example. I am saving it so I can study it line by line.
Keeping up with the two sources is now quite easy.
I won't go into merging. You could either use built in merge
facilities of CVS, or you could even just use the differences
and manually merge things.
This is what I was somewhat referring to - merging related issues.
IMO, a very confusing aspect of CVS.
I had been working on WC7, making all my changes for the
etc, and now I am written to commit this.
1) How should I "tag" this, what switches should I use? do I
use a Branch?
The branch from 6 to 7 is made one time... other than at the point
of the branch, you tag like you always did. As for making the branch
I always make a normal tag that shows where the branch was made and
a branch tag so that it is much easier to see differences to the
branch point - very helpful when merging changes back and forth.
Which leads me to my 2nd question:
2) Is there a "enhanced" version of CVS that allows for two different
"trunks" per se?
The branch checkout acts as its own "trunk" per se. I have a hard time
visualizing what you think a dual trunk would look like. As far as SVN
or other version controls systems go... I would think it quite obvious
that it would be a lot more difficult / time consuming to completely
change your version control system than to learn how to use branching,
even if switching over appeared/was trivial.
Right, I agree, which is why I have not made the jump to SVN or CVSNT
for that matter. I have to understand the problem first. :-)
I have no idea what "trunk" means, so I extrapolating from my readings
and I really don't see a definitive answer. The common thing I see is
that it appears CVS only supports 1 trunk while others have supported
this idea in some better way.
I'm not all sure what that means, but based on CVS readings, all
branches are temporary with the eventual idea that they will be merged
into a single trunk. That was still confusing, as I see some
"indications" that a BRANCH can begin a new "product version" that
will never be merged into some older "trunk" but a new "branch trunk"
So as you see, it sounds simple, but I am probably wrong and I'm
Overall, I was thinking ideally of having a single repository where I
can "STAMP" it v6.3 and begin a new "V7.0" and from that point on, a
new 5-10 years development cycle begins with 2-3 developers. But the
v6.3 version would still have a life for maintenance and any changes
made to it would not conflict with v7.0, however, the possibility is
known that there might be a Common Hot Fix to v7.0 that applies to
v6.3 as well.
So after exploring all that by keeping/working with a test CVSROOT\WC6
copy, I guess I didn't know all the CVS commands to do this, like
your batch file.
So I ended up (and I do feel more comfortable this way), making a copy
of CVSROOT\WC6 to CVSROOT\WC7 and having two separare checkout
concepts and deal with any duplicate work, which in reality will
probably be less and less an issue as time goes on.
Hector Santos, CTO