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RE: cvswrappers - any better suggestions ?

From: Gianni Mariani
Subject: RE: cvswrappers - any better suggestions ?
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:26:32 -0800


We heard you already - we just don't agree with you.  There is very little
point saying the same thing over again.

<rant type=philosophical disposition="ignore if uninterested">

WE (TM) (the philosophical WE) each have our different goals, there is 
absolutly no reason for them to be the same and MANY reasons for them to
be different.

Your discussion below exposes a perspective which is about as far off from
my own as you can get.  I will go as far to say that your goals are very 
different to most that are using CVS today.  I will stretch even further 
and say that there are about as many different goals users have for CVS 
as there are CVS users.

So, when YOU (TM) (the philosphical YOU) find everyone else is doing 
the Wrong Thing (TM) you might find it fruitless and more often negative
to convince THEM (TM) otherwise.  A more productive approach may be to 
accept that THEY (TM) are just different. It does not mean you have to
agree with THEM (TM). It does mean however you stop arguing with once
THEY (TM) acknowledge and reject your point of view.



-----Original Message-----
From: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden Behalf Of
Greg A. Woods
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 11:28 AM
To: CVS-II Discussion Mailing List
Subject: RE: cvswrappers - any better suggestions ?

[ On Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 05:57:31 (-0800), David Glick wrote: ]
> Subject: RE: cvswrappers - any better suggestions ?
> With all due respect, Greg, I think Gianni made some very telling
> points which CVS will need to address if it is to survive.  I'm an
> independent consultant, and I try to bring CVS into each organization
> I work with.  I'm sometimes successful, but I fail at times for
> exactly the reasons Gianni articulates.

Come on you guys!!!!  CVS's goal is not to "survive", whatever the heck
that could possibly mean in a free software community!!!!!  Survival and
market share are not just oxymorons to free software, but in fact are
dangerous concepts that can only damage good free software (look at the
horrible mess in things like Mozilla, KDE, and even most GNU/Linux

The goal of CVS is to to *exactly* what it does and has always done!!!!
That's it.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.

CVS will survive in exactly the places where it fulfills the
requirements it was designed to fulfill.  If those requirements ever
completely go away, or if any other tool comes along that fulfills those
requirements in an obviously better way, then maybe CVS will cease to
"survive", but that'll be a good thing and we'll all rejoice when it

If you put CVS into organisations where it won't do anything but confuse
them and cause them troubles because it's the wrong tool for their
requirements then you're doing the WRONG thing!  It's no damn wonder
that sometimes you fail to convince some clients to use CVS!  They don't
all NEED it!!!!  You fail in those cases because you have failed to
understand their requirements and to correctly do the job they hired you
to do!

PLEASE learn to understand your requirements and learn to use the right
tool for the right job.  You do not use a hammer to turn in screws and
you do not modify your hammer to make it look like a screwdriver because
if you do then you won't have a hammer any more!

You've got absolutely NO excuse for using the wrong FREE tools!!!!!!

We do NOT need any false CVS evangelists who preach it as a hammer for
all screws!!!!  It is already a monopoly in the niche it fits in, and if
you can't figure out what niche that is then don't evangelise it (and
you probably shouldn't even use it either)!

(and yes I do use Mozilla -- it's the best free software of its type
that I've been able to find and it fills more of my requirements than
anything else like it)

                                                        Greg A. Woods

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