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From: | D Herring |
Subject: | Re: How to improve the readability of (any) LISP or any highlevel functional language to the level of FORTH ? |
Date: | Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:39:34 -0500 |
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On 01/03/2011 11:49 PM, rusi wrote:
On Jan 3, 6:05 pm, Tim Harig<user...@ilthio.net> wrote:What hurts the LISP community far more is the zealotry of its members, their insistance that LISP is the *only* tool for *every* job, and their agressiveness in trying to push it off on to everybody else -- whether everybody else happens want it or not. Whether this is indicitive of the entire community or simply the result of those most apparent, I cannot say; but, it leads to the overall impression that the LISP community is narrowminded and neophobic. Who would want to be part of such a community?
Like the dark days of apple, bsd, and linux, there can be some bizarre fanboyism in the lisp community. Geeks are always technical but often not personable.
There are more mundane reasons -- like unsuitability of lisp as a distribution platform [See http://www.newartisans.com/about-me.html where John Wiegley explains why he switched from lisp to C++ for his program ledger ]
First he says "It was originally written in C++, but lately I’ve been porting it to Common Lisp, since I’ve realized how much simpler – and more powerful – many of its aspects will become."
Then there's a cryptic "I found Common Lisp unsuitable as a distribution platform."
Trying not to sound fanboyish, but there are numerous ways to distribute lisp apps. There have been a couple notable improvements in the last year; but several implementations have always offered to spit out an ordinary, standalone executable.
I think many readers in the other cross posted newsgroups have seen similar come-and-go users leave their favorite language.
- Daniel
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