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Re: AUC-TeX completion fails to offer some possibilities


From: Kai Großjohann
Subject: Re: AUC-TeX completion fails to offer some possibilities
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:49:56 +0100
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David Kastrup <David.Kastrup@t-online.de> writes:

> This is AUC TeX, head development speaking.  If somebody puts
> completion for \vskip, \hbox, \vbox, \halign, \valign and a number of
> other stuff into the normal LaTeX modes, I will rip it right out
> again.

Okay, okay.  I think the example was wrong.  I don't quite remember
which other macros I was looking for and missed.  But I remember that
I thought that this was not an unusual macro to use.  I'll post again
when I stumble across the situation again.

However, given my (lack of) TeXnique, it's quite possible that I'm
just using the wrong macros.  We'll see...
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Ajanta <ajanta@no.spam> writes:

> I wasn't aware of this and will have to look into it. However, unless a
> program's creators cooperate, I can't visualize how stow would prevent
> a program from installing files all over the place leaving you with no
> way to uninstall?

No, stow needs the cooperation of the packages.  But for the packages
I have seen it is usually trivial to tell them to install themselves
into a specific directory.

The stow documentation also gives some advice on installing packages
so that they work well with it.

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Anil <anil@null.invalid> writes:

> Let us say a slightly enhanced version of "ls" could tell you not only
> that a file is owned by root, wheel, etc., but also "belongs" to the
> System or a user or a package like TeX or Emacs-29.9, and maybe even
> its type within that package (src, doc, bin...).

Linux distributions have this.  For example, in Debian you can type
"dpkg -S /path/to/file" and it will tell you which Debian package the
file belongs to.  I'm sure rpm offers a similar command, and probably
the FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD package tools have it, too.  (And the
fink package management system for MacOS probably has it, too.)

That doesn't help generic Unices, though.  Nor does it help with
programs that you install from the source without building a
Debian/RPM/... package.
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Anil Trivedi <anil@null.invalid> writes:

> This is not the most deeply probing question, but is /usr/sw simply
> your personal preference or is there a good reason for avoiding the
> more traditional name /usr/local ?

Well, maybe it's just a combination of little things, but nothing
compelling.  The little things do not apply generally, just to us.

We started in an environment where /usr/local was a directory which
was managed by somebody else (the departmental computing center, on
our SunOS 4.x workstations).  We used /usr/local/ls6 at that time,
but felt the directory name was too long.  Later on, the departmental
computing center changed to /app/unido-inf/sun4_56 (Solaris 2.6, no
surprise), and so we used /app/unido-i06/sun4_56 which wasn't really
any shorter either.

Then, when we moved to GNU/Linux, we instinctively stayed away from
all these directories I think and looked for something else.  I had
seen /usr/sww (software warehouse) in some document on the internet
and I liked that, so maybe that's why /usr/sw came about.

One additional reason to stay away from /usr/local is that I used
FreeBSD on my home system for a while, and there the /usr/local
directory is managed by the Ports system.

Why didn't we use /sw instead?  The reason is really silly: back on
SunOS and Solaris, we used to mount /usr via NFS, so putting mount
points under /usr was easier because we only had to create the
directory on the NFS server.  But now with GNU/Linux, we don't
distribute /usr via NFS...

So I think the upshot is that there is no good reason, just personal
preferences.
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David Masterson <dmaster@synopsys.com> writes:

> So you can install as many versions of the software that you need by
> just setting the configure "prefix" to the appropriate "Version"
> directory before doing the "make install".  Then, using pkglink, you
> can pick which version of a package gets symlinked into the main area
> (/usr/local, but you could have more than one).

So if two people want to use different Java versions then we would
need two `main areas'?

Hm.
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Ajanta <ajanta@no.spam> writes:

> If it is /uar/sw/bin, I can imagine you can just put it in your path.
> However, if it is /usr/sw/emacs/21.2/bin, then do you have to modify
> the path each time you install a program? (I don't see either as a big
> deal, I am just trying to figure out what actually happens.)

I forgot one detail: after installing Emacs into /usr/sw/emacs/21.1,
we create a file /usr/sw/emacs/21.1/.bashenv which contains commands
to frob $PATH and $MANPATH and so on.

Then people put

    . /usr/sw/emacs/21.1/.bashenv

into their ~/.bash_profile.

Additionally, one version of each program is declared the default
version.  So there would be a symlink /usr/sw/emacs/default pointing
to /usr/sw/emacs/21.1.  Then people can put the following into their
.bash_profile to get the default version of all the programs:

    for f in /usr/sw/*/default/.bashenv; do
        . $f
    done

Yes, this means that $PATH and $MANPATH grow quite long.  But this
only becomes a problem when you have lots of packages in /usr/sw.  We
do not have that many of them, so this scheme is still workable for
us.

We used to have a home-grown shell script which created a directory
/usr/sw/bin and populated it with symlinks to programs in
/usr/sw/*/default/bin.  (And similar for /usr/sw/man and
/usr/sw/info.)  In the long run, we might wish to migrate to GNU Stow
or a similar tool.
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kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> David Kastrup <David.Kastrup@t-online.de> writes:
> 
> > This is AUC TeX, head development speaking.  If somebody puts
> > completion for \vskip, \hbox, \vbox, \halign, \valign and a number of
> > other stuff into the normal LaTeX modes, I will rip it right out
> > again.
> 
> Okay, okay.  I think the example was wrong.  I don't quite remember
> which other macros I was looking for and missed.  But I remember that
> I thought that this was not an unusual macro to use.  I'll post again
> when I stumble across the situation again.

Please do.  We need every improvement we can get.  Other worthwhile
tasks:
a) support for most standard packages, such as "tools"
b) support for ConTeXt
c) easy support for "classical" keybindings for coaxing the obstinate
d) support for all "standard" commands crosschecked
e) help texts for all standard LaTeX2e error messages
f) a good extensible syntax highlighting scheme for packages and of
course, use of it.

-- 
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Anil Trivedi <anil@null.invalid> writes:

> Stefan, looks like we have both been working all night and need a very,
> very strong cup of coffee. :-) Rubbing my eyes, this is what I see on
> my system:
>
>    anil% find /usr -name emacs -print
>    /usr/bin/emacs
>    /usr/info/emacs
>    /usr/libexec/emacs
>    /usr/local/bin/emacs
>    /usr/share/emacs
>    /usr/share/info/emacs

I gather that you didn't install Emacs there.  Then please go to the
person (or organization) who did it and ask them how to delete Emacs.

(On my (Debian) system, there are similar files and directories and
"dpkg --purge emacs" will delete them.)

If you had installed Emacs there from the source, and if you had kept
the source directory around, then you could have gone to the source
directory and then typed `make uninstall' and the above files would
have been deleted.

The previous paragraph might be useful for said people (or
organizations) who installed Emacs into those directories onto your
system, to produce a way for you to delete Emacs.

There is a problem here: I just told you some messages back that you
can delete the source directory, now I'm telling you you need to keep
it for `make uninstall'.  Solution: after installing Emacs, type
`make -n uninstall' and save the result somewhere safe.  The result
contains all the commands necessary to uninstall Emacs.

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Anil wrote:
> Let us say a slightly enhanced version of "ls" could tell you not only
> that a file is owned by root, wheel, etc., but also "belongs" to the
> System or a user or a package like TeX or Emacs-29.9, and maybe even
> its type within that package (src, doc, bin...). This requires one or
> two more file attributes, but then you could check on an individual
> file with "ls" or list all files belonging to a package with "find".

Rather than add an extension to handle one very specific problem,
might not this issue be better addressed through use of a more
general attribute-based or "semantic" filesystem?

(See e.g. the work of Gifford et al. at
http://www.psrg.lcs.mit.edu/history/publications/Papers/sfsabs.htm )

> I think unix was conceptualized for small systems and programs, where a
> user might know every file, where it came from, what it does. Either
> you wrote it yourself or copied it from a friend. Those times are gone.
> We have hundreds of thousands of files, know nothing about them, and
> routinely install packages that bring thousands of files. The culture
> and the tools have not evolved to deal with this reality and perhaps
> need to.

It's good to see that people are recognizing and drawing attention
to this problem - a very serious one, imho.

Francis
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Is anyone syncing their diary files with the Palm?  How?
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Hello,

I can run an emacs in terminal mode within an anti-aliased xterm --
does anyone know of a way to run a straight emacs under X with font
anti-aliasing?  I am using SuSE 8 on Emacs 21.1 if that helps.

Many thanks

Francesco



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