Re: An April 1 joke? Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add systemd.

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

> is that RMS has already abandoned the Free Software community e.g. by 
> continuing
> to support gnome as a GNU project.

I'm not being picky or anything, actually I'm interested on knowing
stuff, because I don't know everything, so: What is the real problem
with GNOME, both as a software/product and as a group/project? All these
questions are related to free/libre software philosophy.

> And the same happens again: He does not condemn systemd, calling it Free
> Software due to the GPL license. In my opinion systemd is violating one of 
> the 4
> freeedoms of GPL: Freedom 1 (as well as the *NIX and KISS philosophy)
>       * The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it
>         does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the
>         source code is a precondition for this.

Care to prove that systemd doesn't give the end-user the freedom 1?

For the case of systemd, in trisquel-users mailing list (or the English
Trisquel forum if you do like forums instead), we've seen this systemd
protests frequently, and more often related to misunderstandings on
*how* systemd reacts to problems and *what* systemd aims to be as
software/product.

Besides, the UNIX philosophy isn't a requirement for free/libre
software.

> It's really time for a re-definition of Free Software, not only basing such
> definitions solely on the license at hand. It is also a matter of freedoms of
> the users of software. Especially in view of that most Free Software nowadays 
> is
> developed by commercial players, having their own agenda, actively alienating
> their users (and non-paid, spare time developers).

I agree that we might perhaps try to shift the powers, but I deny that
the definitions must be updated, particularly because it already
implements this possibility. The difficulty is actually how to ballance
the end-user/for-profit-organization relationship and importance.

As an example there is the existance of Tryton and NextCloud, GNU Guile
Scheme, GNU Emacs, Org-mode, and LaTeX which, as far as I know, are
community driven and --- in the case of Tryton and NextCloud --- try to
advertise community members to provide services to the end-user, and
accept contributions of these members, but forbid making a
dubious-or-non-free "premium" edition.

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