Re: [GNUnet-developers] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: website and logo rework

[Marcel Klehr]

Nice analysis Bastian!

I've attached the SVG file of my version, if anyone wants to
improve/build upon it.

Cheers,
Marcel

On 17.05.2018 16:11, Nils Gillmann wrote:
> Hi Bastian,
>
> thanks for this refreshing long Email, I hope to reply to the
> logo part at some point. The image is very low quality, I can
> make out what it's about, but maybe to discuss something better
> (not so lowres) would it better.
>
> address@hidden transcribed 13K bytes:
>> Hello,
>>
> [I'm skipping the logo work Great work, but it's not what I can
> comment on right now. Love the initiative and analysis.]
>
>> Feedback regarding the website: The website has to get more to the
>> point, and the design has to support that by how it divides spaces
>> and shapes them with colors, images, and writings. If you want to
>> place 5 bullet points, you better take the whole white space, and
>> devide it into 5 parts, each designed differently custom made,
>> individual and tasty just for that one bullet point they are
>> supposed to introduce.  Additionally, you want to keep up interest
>> of the audience through the whole site, instead of welcoming them
>> with a structure, saying that 67% of the website is not of interest
>> for them and that they're better off with focusing their attention
>> to this one third, which is targeted specifically to them. The
>> content, the bullet points, have to be in the center of attention,
>> not a meta structure sorting the audience into 3 different groups.
>> Of course, certain aspects of the GNUnet are more attractive to a
>> certain group than others, but there are ways to generalize those
>> points to such a degree, that they're also better accessible to
>> other groups. At least to such a degree that they understand the
>> value of those points.  A very good reference for all of this is
>> this website: https://www.zeronet.io/en The only problem with that
>> is that it's kind of like a visiting card.  Another reference, which
>> is good, is this website: https://freifunk.net/en/ Additionally,
>> what the second website makes better than the first reference, is
>> that it's not just a visiting card. It strongly interacts with the
>> audience. It gives impulse to click on videos, zoom into maps
>> dynamically displaying what's going on in the free wireless network
>> that this project Freifunk is all about.
> We are aiming for summer of 2019 to finish the new website (deadline
> for server related work).
> What's currently missing is people who are working on the code for the
> new website. we started something (in www.git) based on the GNU Taler
> website code as per internal (or was it public?) discussion.
> The website is Django based, and if it's not visible public in some
> thread or bugticket I could commit what we intend to make the website
> look like. None of us, to my knowledge, are webdesigners, so at best
> we'd get an improvement over Drupal7 - afterwards the plan was to
> let someone work on it with Webdesign skills.
> Originally I wanted to take on finishing the code, but I'm occupied
> elsewhere.
> To the point, https://gnunet.org/git/www.git/ is what we have, and the
> remote to base it on is address@hidden:www.git respectively the URL
> for anon access.
>
>> One last word to the topic 'website text': 'ethical internet' ? Good
>> intentions, but too vague. At the bottom GNUnet has 2 values:
>> empathy and emancipation - it embodies empathy to help other people,
>> and it embodies emancipation by facilitating freedom/liberty, it
>> embodies emancipation to help other people living their lives in
>> freedom. If values are put into the center of attention, the best
>> thing one can do to be understood and help the values as such is
>> naming them explicitely and concretely.  I think it's a very good
>> idea to mention the values of the GNUnet, because it helps people
>> without technical understanding to understand what drives the
>> GNUnet. But then at least additionally some technical key features,
>> bullet points, should be dropped: Things like 'distributed',
>> 'anonymous P2P', 'Filesharing', 'creating a anonymous and
>> distributed replacement for the old insecure Internet' - it's just
>> something early adopters expect to be faced with, are looking for,
>> and get very attentive and attracted to.  It's okay, if these drops
>> are pretty bold and ambitious, because they make clear what the
>> project strives for to be or become, and that attracts people who
>> want the same, building up momentum into the desired direction of
>> the project.
>>
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Bastian Schmidt
>
> Thanks,
> N.
>
>> Le ven. 26 janv. 2018 à 1:07, amirouche <address@hidden> a écrit :
>>
>>     Héllo,
>>
>>
>>     I got into creating a new logo for gnunet and work on the new gnunet 
>> website.
>>
>>
>>     I did not study a lot the current website and based the mockup on what 
>> is in
>>
>>     the www.git repository @ https://gnunet.org/git/www.git/
>>
>>     My first impression is that the learning curve is rather steep, because 
>> it's start in the first paragraph with various acronyms that I don't know 
>> myself.
>>
>>
>>     The introduction goes into deteails of what and how Internet is broken. 
>> Starting up with the Internet is broken is not very positive and most likely
>>
>>     people coming to the website already know that.
>>
>>     We should first deliver a short explanation of the guiding principles of 
>> the gnunet stack (or framework?). I think about: ethical, energy efficient, 
>> secure
>>
>>     and anonymous. Maybe that must be the headline. Maybe:
>>
>>      ethical Internet
>>
>>     is enough.
>>
>>     Let's be creative, the current headline seems like a buzz word bingo
>>     parade:
>>
>>     Decentralized, Secure, Privacy-preserving, Distributed Application 
>> Framework
>>
>>
>>     ipfs use the following:
>>
>>      IPFS is the distributed web.
>>
>>     That is a bit strong and surf on the _web_ frenzy. A misleading 
>> statement.
>>
>>     Serving static files over the network is an old trick.
>>
>>     I think we should focus on delivring a short explanation for three kinds 
>> of
>>
>>     potentially interested users.
>>
>>     - end users: What are gnunet-based applications? What are the advantages 
>> of using gnunet compared to other approaches in particular the blockchain, 
>> ipfs and bittorrent (e.g. gnunet offers the possibility to stay anonymous 
>> which avoids the need to use vpn (which is not really anonymous) and that
>>
>>      gnunet offers better performance than tor (which has known issues)).
>>
>>      AFAIK this section will be empty without gnunet-gtk and gnu taler.
>>
>>     - developpers: What are the advantages of using gnunet? What are the 
>> distinctive features of gnunet? What are the available bindings? What is 
>> their status? Explain in layman terms that most the regular network stack is 
>> replaced
>>
>>      by a secure version. Explai from top to bottom (I think it's easier
>>
>>     to understand but I am just a webdev) what are the different services.
>>
>>
>>     - researcher: explain that gnunet is based on several research papers and
>>
>>      that it was published in various places, link to the bibliography.
>>
>>     How someone should cite gnunet if they use it in their work? bibtex?
>>
>>     I replaced the term 'stack' with 'framework' in the headline, is it ok?
>>
>>
>>     logos and mockup at https://imgur.com/a/ZOjNU
>>
>>     I attached the svg source.
>>
>>     WDYT?
>>
>>
>>
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