[Gnoppix-user] Re: lost in beginner land (david howe)

[Mike Muffels]

Hello all,

I'm another newbie lost in beginner land. 
1) I think documenting initial setup problems is a great idea, I could
sure use this info right about now. 
2) Can anyone recommend a good book for learning Linux terminal
commands? Or is this not really necessary with Gnome?
3) I have the live cd copied and it seems to boot fine and I get a
working desktop. The first thing I tried was changing some configuration
options and saving them using "saveconfig" in a terminal. It asks for a
floppy to do so. I don't have a floppy on my ThinkPad. I want to save it
to my hard disk. Is this a problem of mounting? Do I have to do a manual
mount? If so, how would I go about that?

Thanks in advance
Mike



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Today's Topics:

   1. User can't use (Dennis Myhand)
   2. readonly root file system after hd install (Riko Wichmann)
   3. SATA port at VIA KT600 (Peter Weilbacher)
   4. Re: SATA port at VIA KT600 (Andreas Mueller)
   5. Re: SATA port at VIA KT600 (Peter Weilbacher)
   6. Beta 3 US - Boot problem (address@hidden)
   7. Installation of 5.5 (Jeff Menzie)
   8. scsi boot hangs (Ingo Schnieders)
   9. Re: no desktop after installation (david howe)
  10. Re: lost in beginner land (david howe)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:09:19 -0600
From: "Dennis Myhand" <address@hidden>
Subject: [Gnoppix-user] User can't use
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I just installed gnoppix.  Cool system.  I love IT.  Root can do
anything needed.  The user I created cannot.  The desktop loads, but
does not finish loading.  No menus, just the background.  What should my
next step be?  Tnx, Dennis




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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 15:13:44 +0100
From: Riko Wichmann <address@hidden>
Subject: [Gnoppix-user] readonly root file system after hd install
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Dear all,

after installing Gnoppix 0.6RC1 to my hd, the root file system is 
read-only, so I can't do anything. Here is what I did:

I have a dual-boot running XP and Suse Linux. However, I plan to 
changing to Debian and thought I'd give Gnoppix a try.
Looking through gnoppix-installfull in /usr/local/bin, I wasn't sure 
what would happen to my harddrive if I selected drive 1 (the only drive)

as the place to install gnoppix. Since I already have a Linux 
filesystem,  I created on the existing ext3 partition /dev/hda7 a 
directory called Suse and copied the whole Suse system there as backup. 
Gnoppix is then going to put all its directories on hda7 as well.

So I edited the gnoppix-installfull as follows:

- change $INSTALL_PATH = "/mnt/hda7";
- add $rootp = "/dev/hda7";
- comment out everything else except
         copyfile
         setup
- since I have the grub loader installed already, I removed everything 
in setup which looked like "lilo"

The script ran through without problems, asking me for hostname, root 
passwd etc. There was one error: www.tgz no such file or directory. This

one I ignored since it didn't seem relevant.

I then edited /mnt/hda7/etc/fstab  to add the swap partition and /boot, 
did ln -sf /proc/mounts /mnt/hda/etc/mtab.

I copied vmlinuz and System.map on the boot partition and adjusted 
grub/menue.lst accordingly.

Rebooting the machine boots into gnoppix until I get a whole bunch of 
error messages about "can't stat /etc/skel" and /root being read-only

Checking dmesg told me:
        EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode
         VFS: mounted root read-only

Probably as a resultof this, also /proc is empty

Is that a relict from gnoppix being a live-cd and therefore root being 
indeed read-only? Where can I fix that?

/etc/fstab should be correct:
/dev/hda7      /       ext3     defaults

Any hint would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

        Riko




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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:49:03 +0100 (MET)
From: Peter Weilbacher <address@hidden>
Subject: [Gnoppix-user] SATA port at VIA KT600
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Hi all,

I downloaded Gnoppix 0.6.0-RC1 last week in the hope that I can now
access my harddisk that is attached to the SATA port of my mainboard. I
still find  /dev/hda to be the DVD drive I boot from and there are no
other devices detected nor do I find a module to activate the SATA port.
The DVD is attached to the normal IDE port. This is a MSI KT6 Delta LSR
which has a VT8237 IDE/SATA chip as part of the KT600 chipset.

As this is a low volume list, let me add the second question in the same
message. I am looking for a module to read out temperatures etc from the
Winbond W83697hf chip? Other distributions seem to carry a kernel
modules called w83781d that supports it...

Cheers,
   Peter.



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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:32:26 +0100
From: Andreas Mueller <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Gnoppix-user] SATA port at VIA KT600
To: Peter Weilbacher <address@hidden>
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On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 10:49:03AM +0100, Peter Weilbacher wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I downloaded Gnoppix 0.6.0-RC1 last week in the hope that I can now 
> access my harddisk that is attached to the SATA port of my mainboard. 
> I still find  /dev/hda to be the DVD drive I boot from and there are 
> no other devices detected nor do I find a module to activate the SATA 
> port. The DVD is attached to the normal IDE port. This is a MSI KT6 
> Delta LSR which has a VT8237 IDE/SATA chip as part of the KT600 
> chipset.

You have to wait for kernel 2.6 in 2.4 SATA and VT8237 isnt supported. 

> As this is a low volume list, let me add the second question in the 
> same message. I am looking for a module to read out temperatures etc 
> from the Winbond W83697hf chip? Other distributions seem to carry a 
> kernel modules called w83781d that supports it...
>

I have to check it out, plase send me a bug with the BTS.

Regards
Andreas
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:21:52 +0100 (MET)
From: Peter Weilbacher <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Gnoppix-user] SATA port at VIA KT600
To: Andreas Mueller <address@hidden>
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Andreas Mueller wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 02, 2004 at 10:49:03AM +0100, Peter Weilbacher wrote:
>
> > This is a MSI KT6 Delta LSR which has a VT8237 IDE/SATA chip as part

> > of the KT600 chipset.
>
> You have to wait for kernel 2.6 in 2.4 SATA and VT8237 isnt supported.

Any possibility to add the libata patch
<ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jgarzik/libata/>?
Or do you think that's to risky or not enough space left? What's the
timescale to switch to Kernel 2.6?

Or is there some way I could do that myself, does the "Knoppix Custom
Kernel Howto"
<http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixCustomKernelHowto>
procedure in combination with the "Knoppix Remastering Howto"
<http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemasteringHowto>
also work for _Gnoppix_? That would also solve the problem below.

> > As this is a low volume list, let me add the second question in the 
> > same message. I am looking for a module to read out temperatures etc

> > from the Winbond W83697hf chip? Other distributions seem to carry a 
> > kernel modules called w83781d that supports it...
>
> I have to check it out, plase send me a bug with the BTS.

OK, done.
-- 
Cheers,
   Peter.



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:16:20 +0100 (CET)
From: <address@hidden>
Subject: [Gnoppix-user] Beta 3 US - Boot problem
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Hi folks !!

first of all thank you for all the good job done. Please go on !! I just
downloaded and burnt the Beta3 US ISO but it can't boot.

I mounted the iso in loop mode and noticed there is no boot.img file,
the boot.cat file is created but empty. Is that normal ?

Beta2 booted fine, so my DVD driver is properly configured. Any trick I
wouldn't know for the beta3 ?

Btw, in beta2, when I installed gnoppix to my hd, I couldn't see the
gnome icons. I saw this bug had been identified. Has it been fixed in
the beta3 release ? Is a hd install possible now ?

Thanks for your answers, and again my congratulations for this distro.

Fabrice.





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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:57:51 -0500
From: "Jeff Menzie" <address@hidden>
Subject: [Gnoppix-user] Installation of 5.5
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New to Linux, so I might be missing the obvious.

I have a one HD computer. I resized the NTFS partition that was on and
left several gigabytes free. Booted Gnoppix and ran the install script.
With it, I was able to set up Linux partitions [normal and swap, type 82
and 83]. But once I save the changes and click quit, the script only
brings me back to the partition tool; I'm not able to get past that
point.

It would be nice to install Gnoppix since I really like it. Perhaps this
was a big that's been fixed in the newer releases?

Jeff




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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 18:41:26 +0100
From: Ingo Schnieders <address@hidden>
Subject: [Gnoppix-user] scsi boot hangs
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Hi,

I tried to boot from gnoppix_0.6.0_beta3 DE intl

During boot process the system hangs. It seems
that the module "aic7xxx_old.o" tries to reset the
SCSI bus several times but nothing happens.

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Found SCSI device(s) handled by sg.o
Found SCSI device(s) handled by ide-scsi.o
Found SCSI device(s) handled by sr_mod.o
Found SCSI device(s) handled by aic7xxx.o

Probing SCSI... aic7xxx_old.o

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My boot device is a SCSI CD-Rom ID 0 on Adaptec /proc/scsi/aic7xxx/0
shows with SuSE 9.0

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Adaptec AIC7xxx driver version: 6.2.36
Adaptec 2940 Ultra SCSI adapter
aic7880: Ultra Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/253 SCBs
Allocated SCBs: 5, SG List Length: 102

Serial EEPROM:
0xc278 0xc378 0xc378 0xc378 0xc378 0xc378 0xc248 0xc378
0xc048 0xc048 0xc048 0xc048 0xc048 0xc048 0xc048 0xc048
0x18a5 0x204f 0x2807 0x0010 0xffff 0xffff 0xffff 0xffff
0xffff 0xffff 0xffff 0xffff 0xffff 0xffff 0xffff 0x7cd0

Target 0 Negotiation Settings
        User: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 127, 16bit)
        Goal: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15)
        Curr: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15)
        Channel A Target 0 Lun 0 Settings
                Commands Queued 1749
                Commands Active 1
                Command Openings 0
                Max Tagged Openings 0
                Device Queue Frozen Count 1
Target 1 Negotiation Settings
        User: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 127, 16bit)
        Goal: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 10)
        Curr: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 10)
        Channel A Target 1 Lun 0 Settings
                Commands Queued 457281
                Commands Active 1
                Command Openings 0
                Max Tagged Openings 0
                Device Queue Frozen Count 0
Target 2 Negotiation Settings
        User: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 127, 16bit)
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/proc/scsi/scsi shows the following:

----
Attached devices:
Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
  Vendor: TEAC     Model: CD-R55S          Rev: 1.0J
  Type:   CD-ROM                           ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 01 Lun: 00
  Vendor: FUJITSU  Model: M2513A           Rev: 1300
  Type:   Optical Device                   ANSI SCSI revision: 02
----

To boot KNOPPIX 3.3 is no problem.

Any idea to solve this problem ?


regards    Ingo





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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:25:40 +1100
From: david howe <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Gnoppix-user] no desktop after installation
To: Yuri van Geenen <address@hidden>
Cc: address@hidden
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I had the same problem the first time i tried the live style. I did it  
twice on 2 different machines with the same result as you. I have  
adopted the debian style since then on 3 installs with no such problem.

One thing to note is that you have to delete the old gnome session  
files once you get up and running if you want a "normal" desktop.

david

On 01/18/04 19:44:49, Yuri van Geenen wrote:
> Hiya,
> 
> PC info:
> IBM Thinkpad A22M
> Pentium 3 - 850Mhz - 256MB RAM - ATI Rage Mobility Graphics
> 
> About two weeks ago I downloaded Gnoppix and burnt the ISO on CD-rom,
> no problems
> whatever with booting from it etc. Yesterday I installed it on my  
> laptop.
> It gives you then the option, something like:
> 
> 1. Install old style Debian
> 2. Install like live CD Gnoppix style
> 
> So I picked the 'Gnoppix style install' and everything went well.
> When I boot into my fresh installed system, it seems
> like Gnome takes a lot of time starting up and then it just sits  
> there, leaving me with a Gnome background image
> and a mouse and no icons or anything else. The mouse just moves,  
> nothing more.
> With CTRL-F keys I can change to a prompt.
> 
> Is this normal after an installation? I'd like to have the same
> desktop in Gnome after installation, like I have
> when I start up my Live CD. Any suggestions?
> 
> thx!
> yuri (from Holland)
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 17:43:04 +1100
From: david howe <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Gnoppix-user] lost in beginner land
To: address@hidden
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Nero has an option to burn an image. If you have access to Nero, then
that is the option to choose. The Gnoppix image files are like all the
other current crop of .iso files, they are bootable but need to be be
burnt as image files. Ignore the option to create a bootable CD, it is
not relevant. On, 24 Jan 2004 11:33:39 -0800 (PST) John Smothers
<address@hidden> wrote:

> First of all, I thank all of you for your quick and
> helpful responses.  I was easily able to enter the
> bios setup by doing what you have all suggested.
> 
> I reordered the bootup order to 1)floppy, 2)cd rom, 3)
> hdd.  The order before changing it, was to look at the
> hdd first.  So, I figured all would go well now after
> the modification.
> 
> Unfortunately, I still get windows xp booting up.  And
> that's unfortunate in so many ways :).
> 
> --- Mica Mijatovic <address@hidden> wrote:
> > As to burning a bootable CD, the rules may wary.
> > Perhaps someone other
> > will know to tell you what in a Gnoppix case.
> > Anyway, copying just an
> > iso file to CD will not work, as I know. :-)
> 
> Well, I believe this is where I am at now.  How do I
> get a cd with an iso file on it to be a bootable CD?
> I will continue to look at the FAQ and docs so I don't
> waste alot of your time.  But I could use all the help
> and shortcuts possible.
> 
> Again, thank you to all and I was thinking about
> writing this up from a beginner point of view.  Would
> this be helpful to avoid alot of you helping newbies
> like me?  If so, after I get everything to work, I
> will write up (using gnoppix and open office, of
> course) a quick piece (Gnoppix Help for Beginners and
> the Non-Technical) that people can edit and add to.
> 
> Thank you,
> John Smothers
> 
> >     Was Sat, 24 Jan 2004, at 09:49:43 -0800 (PST), 
> >     when John address@hidden wrote:
> > 
> > > I burnt the gnoppix iso to a cd using xp.
> > 
> > 
> > > So, I figured I would just hope for the best and
> > put
> > > in the cd and reboot.  Nothing happened, except
> > for XP
> > > booting up, so I'm left to 2 ideas.  Either my
> > bios
> > > are not set up to boot from cd or burning the iso
> > with
> > > the xp software didn't do something correctly.
> > 
> > Quite good ideas.
> > 
> > > Is there a standard site(s) I can go look at to
> > find
> > > out what bios I am using and how to reconfigure
> > it?
> > > Or a place where complete newbie questions and
> > hand
> > > holding is more appropriately done?
> > 
> > You enter the BIOS Setup by pressing <delete> button
> > during booting
> > process (while in 'DOS mode'). Once you are in, go
> > to Advanced BIOS
> > Features. There you'll see Boot Device(s) entries.
> > Set your Floppy to be
> > the first one, your CD-Rom the second one, and your
> > HDD(s) after them.
> > (First HDD is always HDD-0, if you have more then
> > one.)
> > 
> > That means that your machine will search firstly a
> > floppy with system
> > files, then a bootable CD, and then a HDD.
> > 
> > As to burning a bootable CD, the rules may wary.
> > Perhaps someone other
> > will know to tell you what in a Gnoppix case.
> > Anyway, copying just an
> > iso file to CD will not work, as I know. :-)
> > 
> > > I hear live linux cds are a great place to start.
> > 
> > Not only to start but to work with it too. :-)
> > 
> > Maybe is a good/better option to order somewhere a
> > ready bootable CD.
> > It's pretty cheap.
> > 
> > A good place for learning hardware (BIOS etc.) is 
> > <www.tomshardware.com>. You can also put a glance at the Manual of 
> > your {mother|father|main}board, where you can find an
> > exact description of
> > your BIOS, and of the ways of setting it up.
> > 
> > There is somewhere (on Gnop or Knop pix site) some
> > faq about roasting a
> > bootable CD, but I have no the address near in this
> > moment.
> > 
> > Mica
> > --
> > 
> 
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