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1. Re: What image file formats gnokii can read? (Pawel Kot)
2. Re: can gnokii do this? (Pawel Kot)
3. Re: Changes in API (Pawel Kot)
4. Re: gnokii/mygnokii cooperation (Was: What image file formats gnokii
can read?) (Pawel Kot)
5. List headers (Phil Seakins)
6. Re: can gnokii do this? (Bostjan Muller)
7. Re: can gnokii do this? (Bostjan Muller)
8. Re: can gnokii do this? (leos)
9. Re: Changes in API (Konstantinos Agouros)
10. Re: can gnokii do this? (Jon Farmer)
11. Re: can gnokii do this? (Pawel Kot)
12. Re: Changes in API (Pawel Kot)
13. RE: gnokii-users digest, Vol 1 #20 - 4 msgs (Yeo Sinlan)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:24:03 +0200 (CEST)
From: Pawel Kot <address@hidden>
To: gnokii users mailing list <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: What image file formats gnokii can read?
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> What kind of image files gnokii can read? I tried --viewlogo with some
> momochorme BMP files, but it displays them wrong. TIA.
Lookieng at common/gsm-filetypes.c: NOL, NGG, NSL, NLM, BMP, XPM
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:29:44 +0200 (CEST)
From: Pawel Kot <address@hidden>
To: gnokii users mailing list <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: can gnokii do this?
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Bostjan Muller wrote:
> Is the following possible with gnokii?
> I have two nokia phones, one would constantly be connected to server,
> the other mobile. I would like to send an sms from the mobile to the one
> on the server, to recieve status reports, or even issue some commands if
> neccessary. (the gsm on the server is nokia 5110 and the mobile one is
> nokia 6210). Can that be done without modifying gnokii source? Or would
> I have to write my own program?
Frankly I don't understand what you would like to do, but you may want to
take a closer look at smsd (smsd dir) and smsreader (from gnokii.c).
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:33:21 +0200 (CEST)
From: Pawel Kot <address@hidden>
To: gnokii users mailing list <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: Changes in API
On 7 Apr 2002, Konstantinos Agouros wrote:
> after I've taken a brief look at the CVS-version, I think getting
Gnokii::GSM
> to 0.4 will be some work to do. In that I also think of changing the order
> from Gnokii::GSM to GSM::Gnokii so at some time in the far far future this
> might become something like the DBI-Stuff for databases.
> Any comments on that?
Sound sane.
> P.S.: I am right to see that 0.4.0pre16 isn't exactly stable with an 6150
via
> infrared?
I do use 6110 series only for some tests (ie: not too often), but I didn't
notice any problems. You migh also want to use latest CVS as there were
many updates...
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:26:02 +0200 (CEST)
From: Pawel Kot <address@hidden>
To: gnokii users mailing list <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: gnokii/mygnokii cooperation (Was: What image file formats
gnokii
can read?)
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:46:10PM +0200, Michal Kochanowicz wrote:
> > What kind of image files gnokii can read? I tried --viewlogo with some
> > momochorme BMP files, but it displays them wrong. TIA.
> I've just tested mygnokii and it uploaded logo from this BMP file. But
> it couldn't upload logo from file created earlier by gnokii --getlogo.
> It said that logo is too big. Gnokii had no problems uploading it.
This is the bug I recently fixed. You tried to see operator logo from
6210/7110. Didn't you?
> It's sick.
That gnokii has no problems uploading it?
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Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 18:30:07 +1000
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text without having to scroll down manually! And, because the headers now
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:04:50 +0200
To: gnokii mailing list <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: can gnokii do this?
From: address@hidden (Bostjan Muller)
* On 07-04-02 at 21:11 Pawel Kot (address@hidden) wrote:
+----Here quoted text begins----+
> > Is the following possible with gnokii?
> > I have two nokia phones, one would constantly be connected to server,
> > the other mobile. I would like to send an sms from the mobile to the one
> > on the server, to recieve status reports, or even issue some commands if
> > neccessary. (the gsm on the server is nokia 5110 and the mobile one is
> > nokia 6210). Can that be done without modifying gnokii source? Or would
> > I have to write my own program?
>
> Frankly I don't understand what you would like to do, but you may want to
> take a closer look at smsd (smsd dir) and smsreader (from gnokii.c).
+----and here the quote ends----+
I'd like to send an sms from one phone to another gsm connected to the
pc, and than have some program read the contents of the sms and execute
the commands in it if neccessary (if the syntax of the sms would tell
him to do so).
Regards/Lep pozdrav
Bo¹tjan Müller
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:03:28 +0200
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Subject: Re: can gnokii do this?
From: address@hidden (Bostjan Muller)
* On 07-04-02 at 19:29 Jon Farmer (address@hidden) wrote:
+----Here quoted text begins----+
> I use a PHP binary to script with. I can read in the incoming SMS using
> gnokii , use PHP to process the content of the SMS and then call gnokii to
> send back the reply.
[...]
+----and here the quote ends----+
Would you be so kind, to send me the PHP script?
THX in advance!
Regards/Lep pozdrav
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Message: 8
From: "leos" <address@hidden>
To: <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: can gnokii do this?
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:17:05 +0300
> > Is the following possible with gnokii?
> > I have two nokia phones, one would constantly be connected to server,
> > the other mobile. I would like to send an sms from the mobile to the one
> > on the server, to recieve status reports, or even issue some commands if
> > neccessary. (the gsm on the server is nokia 5110 and the mobile one is
> > nokia 6210). Can that be done without modifying gnokii source? Or would
> > I have to write my own program?
I believe you can. If you program some kind of "protocol" on a macro level
it
should be no problem.
I mean something like that (let gnokii working with Nokia connected to the
server be G and the mobile Nokia be M):
(1) G is waiting for getting a message from M.
(2) M sends a message to G.
(3) G reads the message from M (and a server action requested is done)
(4) G sends a message to M to inform about a result of action
requested.
(5) goto (1).
If needed you could include some acknowledgements (depending on reliability
required) and authentication (depending on a security level needed).
You can realize the steps of (1), (2), ..., (5) in a simple program that
runs
gnokii with appropriate parameters, sending it the data and reading the data
from it.
I believe that no modifications of gnokii are needed. ;))
Is it what you need?
Regards,
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Message: 9
To: address@hidden
From: address@hidden (Konstantinos Agouros)
Subject: Re: Changes in API
Date: 7 Apr 2002 23:24:35 +0200
Organization: Agouros.de
In <address@hidden>
address@hidden (Pawel Kot) writes:
>On 7 Apr 2002, Konstantinos Agouros wrote:
>> after I've taken a brief look at the CVS-version, I think getting
Gnokii::GSM
>> to 0.4 will be some work to do. In that I also think of changing the
order
>> from Gnokii::GSM to GSM::Gnokii so at some time in the far far future
this
>> might become something like the DBI-Stuff for databases.
>> Any comments on that?
>Sound sane.
So where (besides gnokii.c) do I find a list of all implemented functions?
>From what I've seen I have to go to rewrite all the
structure-to-hash-mappings
as it seems or at least most of them.
>> P.S.: I am right to see that 0.4.0pre16 isn't exactly stable with an 6150
via
>> infrared?
>I do use 6110 series only for some tests (ie: not too often), but I didn't
>notice any problems. You migh also want to use latest CVS as there were
>many updates...
Hmmm I did an cvs co yesterday... But we'll see how it works with the 6310.
Konstantin
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Message: 10
From: "Jon Farmer" <address@hidden>
To: "gnokii mailing list" <address@hidden>,
"Bostjan Muller" <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: can gnokii do this?
Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 18:29:49 +0100
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> Is the following possible with gnokii?
> I have two nokia phones, one would constantly be connected to server,
> the other mobile. I would like to send an sms from the mobile to the one
> on the server, to recieve status reports, or even issue some commands if
> neccessary. (the gsm on the server is nokia 5110 and the mobile one is
> nokia 6210). Can that be done without modifying gnokii source? Or would
> I have to write my own program?
> Is there some simple scripting language that would support gnokii? I
> read that there is a GSM perl module written for it, would that suite my
> need better?
I use a PHP binary to script with. I can read in the incoming SMS using
gnokii , use PHP to process the content of the SMS and then call gnokii to
send back the reply.
Fairly easy if you are used to call command line programs from your scripts
and parsing the results.
Regards
Jon
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 00:16:07 +0200 (CEST)
From: Pawel Kot <address@hidden>
To: gnokii users mailing list <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: can gnokii do this?
Reply-To: address@hidden
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Bostjan Muller wrote:
> * On 07-04-02 at 21:11 Pawel Kot (address@hidden) wrote:
> +----Here quoted text begins----+
> > > Is the following possible with gnokii?
> > > I have two nokia phones, one would constantly be connected to server,
> > > the other mobile. I would like to send an sms from the mobile to the
one
> > > on the server, to recieve status reports, or even issue some commands
if
> > > neccessary. (the gsm on the server is nokia 5110 and the mobile one is
> > > nokia 6210). Can that be done without modifying gnokii source? Or
would
> > > I have to write my own program?
> >
> > Frankly I don't understand what you would like to do, but you may want
to
> > take a closer look at smsd (smsd dir) and smsreader (from gnokii.c).
> +----and here the quote ends----+
> I'd like to send an sms from one phone to another gsm connected to the
> pc, and than have some program read the contents of the sms and execute
> the commands in it if neccessary (if the syntax of the sms would tell
> him to do so).
In short. You will need to do some coding. But both smsd and smsreader
are capable to do what you want. smsd is known to be more stable. At least
in my tests. Both solution do save the incoming SMS at the moment, but you
can do with them whatever you want.
Similiar algorithm to the one in smsd is used in xgnokii.
pkot
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 01:43:40 +0200 (CEST)
From: Pawel Kot <address@hidden>
To: gnokii users mailing list <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: Changes in API
Reply-To: address@hidden
On 7 Apr 2002, Konstantinos Agouros wrote:
> In <address@hidden>
address@hidden (Pawel Kot) writes:
>
> >On 7 Apr 2002, Konstantinos Agouros wrote:
>
> >> after I've taken a brief look at the CVS-version, I think getting
Gnokii::GSM
> >> to 0.4 will be some work to do. In that I also think of changing the or
der
> >> from Gnokii::GSM to GSM::Gnokii so at some time in the far far future
this
> >> might become something like the DBI-Stuff for databases.
> >> Any comments on that?
>
> >Sound sane.
> So where (besides gnokii.c) do I find a list of all implemented functions?
> >From what I've seen I have to go to rewrite all the
structure-to-hash-mappings
> as it seems or at least most of them.
I'm afraid that from nowwhere. I'm willing to do some documentation when
I'll finish the things in libsms.
> >> P.S.: I am right to see that 0.4.0pre16 isn't exactly stable with an
6150 via
> >> infrared?
>
> >I do use 6110 series only for some tests (ie: not too often), but I
didn't
> >notice any problems. You migh also want to use latest CVS as there were
> >many updates...
> Hmmm I did an cvs co yesterday... But we'll see how it works with the
6310.
I think 6310 misses a lot functionality now...
pkot
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Message: 13
From: "Yeo Sinlan" <address@hidden>
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Subject: RE: gnokii-users digest, Vol 1 #20 - 4 msgs
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:30:16 +0800
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3. Re: OR fix the prefix of eachmessage header (Karl E. Jorgensen)
4. Re: OR fix the prefix of eachmessage header (Pawel Kot)
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Message: 1
From: "leos" <address@hidden>
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Subject: Re: Unable to send msg from command line
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 20:04:04 +0300
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Hi Alan,
Gnokii expects getting message text on a standard input so the following
should work for you:
C:\MYGNOKII\WIN32\CONSOLE>echo "Message text" | mygnokii --sendsms =
+************=20
I don't use Windows version but I believe it should be the same. Try it.
Regards,
Leos.
I'm new to Gnokii and I can successfully use the Mygnokii console =
application to get information from my phone but I can not get the =
--sendsms working properly. The following is output I get when I try it.
C:\MYGNOKII\WIN32\CONSOLE>mygnokii --sendsms +************ Message =
Test ^D
Warning: saving 2 chars
^C
(After typing ctrl-d the line appeared to be waiting, after a while i =
typed ctrl-c, "Warning: saving 2 chars" appeared after I typed ctrl-c)
C:\MYGNOKII\WIN32\CONSOLE>mygnokii --sendsms +************ Message 2 =
Test
^D
=
^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^=
D^D^D^D
=
^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^=
D^D^D^D
^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D
=
^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^=
D^D^D^D
^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D
Warning: saving 160 chars
SMS 1/1 sent OK !
(On this second attempt I held down ctrl-d in frustration and then =
pressed return. I did receive a message on my phone but it was all ? =
marks and no text, ie "Message 2 Test" did not appear in the text of the =
message).
I am using a Nokia 3210 witn a fbus cable on Windows 2000.
Thanks in advance for your help,
Alan Smith
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<DIV>Hi Alan,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Gnokii expects getting message text on a standard input so the=20
following</DIV>
<DIV>should work for you:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>C:\MYGNOKII\WIN32\CONSOLE>echo "Message text" | mygnokii =
--sendsms=20
+************ </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't use Windows version but I believe it should be the same. =
Try=20
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<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Leos.</DIV>
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<P>I'm new to Gnokii and I can successfully use the Mygnokii console=20
application to get information from my phone but I can not get the =
--sendsms=20
working properly. The following is output I get when I try it.</P>
<P>C:\MYGNOKII\WIN32\CONSOLE>mygnokii --sendsms +************ =
Message Test=20
^D</P>
<P>Warning: saving 2 chars<BR>^C<BR>(After typing ctrl-d the line =
appeared to=20
be waiting, after a while i typed ctrl-c, "Warning: saving 2 chars" =
appeared=20
after I typed ctrl-c)</P>
<P> </P>
<P>C:\MYGNOKII\WIN32\CONSOLE>mygnokii --sendsms +************ =
Message 2=20
Test<BR>^D</P>
=
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^D^D^D^D^D<BR>^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^=
D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D^D</P>
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=20
saving 160 chars<BR>SMS 1/1 sent OK !</P>
<P>(On this second attempt I held down ctrl-d in frustration and then =
pressed=20
return. I did receive a message on my phone but it was all ? =
marks and=20
no text, ie "Message 2 Test" did not appear in the text of the =
message).</P>
<P>I am using a Nokia 3210 witn a fbus cable on Windows 2000.</P>
<P>Thanks in advance for your help,</P>
<P>Alan Smith<BR></P>
<P><BR>
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From: "leos" <address@hidden>
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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 20:51:33 +0300
Subject: Re: OR fix the prefix of eachmessage header
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Dear Karl,
Thank you for your interesting comments...
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>> ==========================================
>> Jochen Schnapka Re: <some subject description>
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>As far as I can see, you're using M$Outlook. You should able to change
>which columns are displayed for each message. Try right-clicking on the
>column headings, perhaps?
What I can't understand is why many people here try to teach others
with basical things and press them in their way of work. Why many
people don't believe that others can have their good reasons for
doing things their ways?
Yes I did use M$OL just for the last message as every recipient could
see (e.g. now I use different way) but it is not important. Do you
really believe that it is very senseful to include next "To:" column
because of 1% of messages that you propose to identify that way?
>> Are some 3 characters of the prefix so high tax to be unacceptable?
>On most systems, you can have the system sort the mail for you, e.g. by
>using procmail. Or use scoring techniques in mutt. Lots.
Again the same problem: teaching.. ;)) I thought we were not discussing
how to sort or distribute messages (that everybody knows) but how to
identify them convenient way for everyone, weren't we? What I need is
getting a fast visual orientation in one chronolically sorted list.
Hence not subject sorting or including additional columns or beaking
the list in many partial boxes.
That's why I asked owners to add some 3-char identification prefix.
I still believe it is acceptable for everyone.
Regards,
Dr Leos.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 22:08:31 +0100
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Subject: Re: OR fix the prefix of eachmessage header
From: "Karl E. Jorgensen" <address@hidden>
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On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 08:51:33PM +0300, leos wrote:
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> Dear Karl,
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> Thank you for your interesting comments...
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> >>=20
> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> >> Jochen Schnapka Re: <some subject description>
> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> >As far as I can see, you're using M$Outlook. You should able to change
> >which columns are displayed for each message. Try right-clicking on the
> >column headings, perhaps?
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> What I can't understand is why many people here try to teach others=20
> with basical things and press them in their way of work. Why many
> people don't believe that others can have their good reasons for=20
> doing things their ways?
I'm sorry if I gave that impression: I'm not trying to *press* anybody
into any specific way of working.
My intention was only to *help*; it's up to everybody to decide for
*themselves* to decide what way is best. And in order to make an
informed decision, it helps to *know* some "other ways" too...
I suspect that English is not your first language, so misunderstandings
can result from that. No problem. I'm Danish (15 east deg, 55 deg
north).
> Yes I did use M$OL just for the last message as every recipient could=20
> see (e.g. now I use different way) but it is not important. Do you=20
> really believe that it is very senseful to include next "To:" column=20
> because of 1% of messages that you propose to identify that way?
The percentages will vary depending on which & how many mailing lists
you subscribe to, how much junk mail you get, number of friends, phase
of the moon and what your boss had for breakfast.=20
Most other mailing lists that I subscribe to add a "X-Mailing-List: "
header to all emails, and this can then be used for filtering and
identification. I had to add a rule in .procmailrc to add that header
myself for e.g. gnokii. I suspect it depends on what software is running
the list.
> >> Are some 3 characters of the prefix so high tax to be unacceptable?
>=20
> >On most systems, you can have the system sort the mail for you, e.g. by
> >using procmail. Or use scoring techniques in mutt. Lots.
>=20
> Again the same problem: teaching.. ;)) I thought we were not discussing
See my comment above. Note that I didn't actually go *against* the
prefix. I just tried to give you a way to work *with* it (Guidance !=3D
Pressure).
> how to sort or distribute messages (that everybody knows) but how to=20
> identify them convenient way for everyone, weren't we? What I need is=20
> getting a fast visual orientation in one chronolically sorted list.=20
> Hence not subject sorting or including additional columns or beaking=20
> the list in many partial boxes.=20
As long as you're aware of the disadvantages (somebody else already
mentioned those in this thread, so I won't bother), and feel that the
advantages outweigh the disadvantages, them I'm fine with that.
> That's why I asked owners to add some 3-char identification prefix.
>=20
> I still believe it is acceptable for everyone.
and I don't mind removing them in my incoming filter (gotta learn perl
anyway) and adding the X-Mailing-List: header. Then I get them
colour-coded and prioritised the way I like it too..
--=20
Karl E. J=F8rgensen
address@hidden
www.karl.jorgensen.com
=3D=3D=3D=3D Today's fortune:
"Never make any mistaeks."
(Anonymous, in a mail discussion about to a kernel bug report.)
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 00:15:23 +0200 (CEST)
From: Pawel Kot <address@hidden>
To: <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: OR fix the prefix of eachmessage header
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On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, leos wrote:
> That's why I asked owners to add some 3-char identification prefix.
>
> I still believe it is acceptable for everyone.
gnokii-ml headers provide enough information to be able to extract them.
pkot
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