[gNewSense-users] Re: gNewSense-users Digest, Vol 27, Issue 11

[maruthai karunakaran]

If a manual is prepared afresh, my sugesstion is to have it in pdf or
djvu format and it must be downloadable.
Since every time logging to i-net and seeing the help page is a real
nuisance from users like me who have access only  to dial up service.



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> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:08:28 -0500
> From: " Quiliro Ord??ez " <address@hidden>
> Subject: [gNewSense-users] wireless config
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> I cannot configure my wireless network interface. In Windows it works
> perfectly.
>
> $ lspci | grep Network
> 00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
>
> $ lsmod |grep rt61
> rt61pci                24576  0
> rt2x00pci              10368  1 rt61pci
> rt2x00lib              21632  2 rt61pci,rt2x00pci
> mac80211              162580  3 rt61pci,rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib
> eeprom_93cx6            2304  1 rt61pci
>
> $ ifconfig wlan2
> wlan2     Link encap:Ethernet  direcciónHW 00:08:a1:ac:2b:f4
>           inet dirección:192.168.2.167  Difusión:192.168.2.255  Máscara:
> 255.255.255.0
>           DIFUSIÓN MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Métrica:1
>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>           colisiones:0 txqueuelen:1000
>           RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
>
> $ iwconfig  wlan2
> wlan2     IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"galvano"
>           Mode:Managed  Channel:0  Access Point: Not-Associated
>           Tx-Power=0 dBm
>           Retry min limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr=2346 B
>           Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
>
> I don't know why it has been assigned channel 0
>
> Please help. 8 hours struggling. Trying with different cards of the same
> model in different computersbut no luck. Any ideas? Thks.
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> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 18:06:55 -0800 (PST)
> From: Eus <address@hidden>
> Subject: [gNewSense-users] Re: wireless config
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> Hi Ho!
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> --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Quiliro Ordóñez <address@hidden> wrote:
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>> I cannot configure my wireless network interface. In Windows
>> it works
>> perfectly.
>>
>> $ lspci | grep Network
>> 00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
>
> Ops, it requires a non-free firmware. To quote
> http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, "Note that some
> other RT chipsets, including the RT2501, RT61 and RT2571W/RT2671, require
> firmware that is not released under a free software license. This makes
> these devices incompatible with a fully free system."
>
> [snip]
>
>> Please help. 8 hours struggling. Trying with different
>> cards of the same
>> model in different computersbut no luck. Any ideas? Thks.
>
> Perhaps it is because the firmware has been stripped out of gNewSense
> already.
>
>> --
>> Saludos/Greetings
>> Quiliro Ordóñez
>> 593(02)340 1517 / 593(09)821 8696
>> http://quiliro.wordpress.com
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> Best regards,
> Eus (FSF member #4445)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:52:13 -0500
> From: " Quiliro Ord??ez " <address@hidden>
> Subject: [gNewSense-users] Re: wireless config
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>>
>>
>> > $ lspci | grep Network
>> > 00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI
>>
>> Ops, it requires a non-free firmware. To quote
>> http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, "Note that some
>> other RT chipsets, including the RT2501, RT61 and RT2571W/RT2671, require
>> firmware that is not released under a free software license. This makes
>> these devices incompatible with a fully free system."
>>
>
> On this page I found several files:
> http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html
>
> This link has no license:
> http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/2008_0723_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.2.tar.bz2
> and the firmware has only some freedoms:
> http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip
>
> Found this GPLd source. Will it work for me?
> http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT2500-Linux-STA-1.4.6.6.tar.gz
>
> Found this too:
> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-install-and-configure-dlink-dwl-g-520-wireless-lan-pci-card.html
> --
> Saludos/Greetings
> Quiliro Ordóñez
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> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:16:01 +0100
> From: "Benedikt Ahrens" <address@hidden>
> Subject: Re: [gNewSense-users] restructuring the website
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> thanks for the link. this was before i subscribed to the mailing list.
> seems like people are either too busy or not interested in changing
> the web page, since nobody joins in the discussion.
>
> since i do not have the permission and the knowledge to change the
> structure of gnewsense.org, i am thinking about creating my own small
> gnewsense howtos page.
> this should be a page for the absolute beginner, including only
> installation manuals and such, not more.
>
> i assume that i have the permission to use the contents of
> gnewsense.org, which is under GFDL ?
>
> ben
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Sam Geeraerts <address@hidden>
> wrote:
>> ben wrote:
>>>
>>> hello,
>>>
>>> in the forum some people (including me) were off the opinion that the
>>> gNS website is not really well-structured. there are two points which i
>>> want to mention (which were the initial reason for me to think about
>>> this):
>>>
>>> (1) the documentation page
>>> http://wiki.gnewsense.org/Documentation/Documentation
>>> is way too difficult to reach, considered the fact that it carries
>>> crucial info like the installation manual
>>>
>>> (2) while the builder is very important, people who visit the web site
>>> will mainly be interested in gNS and not in the builder.
>>> (if this assumption is not right, please excuse me)
>>> for those the information about the builder is noise which is bound to
>>> make life difficult for them.
>>>
>>>
>>> i would like to suggest a new structure for the main menu, which would
>>> be more standard and hence easier and faster to understand. my
>>> suggestion is far from complete, of course, and is only meant as a
>>> starting point for discussion.
>>>
>>> the main points are answers to the facts i mentioned before: separate
>>> 'builder' section (also for documentation of the builder) and
>>> aggregation of all the gNS user information under 'Documentation'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> About gNewSense
>>>        Features
>>>        FAQ
>>>        Software
>>>                Repos
>>>                Releases
>>>                LiveCD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Software/Download
>>>        (Links to the files)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Documentation (for gNewSense only)
>>>        Forum
>>>        Manuals & HowTos
>>>                Getting Started
>>>                Recommended Hardware
>>>                How To Help
>>>                etc.
>>>
>>> The Builder
>>>        Description
>>>        Documentation
>>>
>>>
>>> greetings
>>> ben
>>>
>> A few months ago Karl had also talked about cleaning things up [1]. He
>> proposed a slightly different structure.
>>
>> [1]
>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnewsense-users/2008-08/msg00041.html
>>
>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:43:51 -0800 (PST)
> From: Eus <address@hidden>
> Subject: [gNewSense-users] Re: wireless config
> To: Quiliro Ord??ez <address@hidden>
> Cc: gnewSense mailing list <address@hidden>
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
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> Hi Ho!
>
> --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Quiliro Ordóñez <address@hidden> wrote:
>
>> On this page I found several files:
>> http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html
>>
>> This link has no license:
>> http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/2008_0723_RT61_Linux_STA_v1.1.2.2.tar.bz2
>> and the firmware has only some freedoms:
>> http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT61_Firmware_V1.2.zip
>
> Yes, it is non-free. Let me quote from the license:
>
> Redistribution and use in binary form, without
>
> modification, are permitted...
> ...
> * No reverse engineering, decompilation, or disassembly of this software
>
>   is permitted.
>
>> Found this GPLd source. Will it work for me?
>> http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT2500-Linux-STA-1.4.6.6.tar.gz
>
> No, it won't.
>
>> Found this too:
>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-install-and-configure-dlink-dwl-g-520-wireless-lan-pci-card.html
>
> Yes, it shows how to build the driver from the source code.
>
> Oh, BTW, you have to understand that there are two parts that you will need
> to run the device:
> 1. The driver (this one is free software)
> 2. The firmware (this one is not)
>
> The case of this particular chipset of RaLink is the same as the case of
> Intel Wireless NIC because Intel also requires that the free driver to load
> the non-free firmware in order to run the device.
>
> We in the gNewSense community have been taking time to remove all of the
> non-free firmwares from the Linux kernel. That's why I said that you might
> not be able to run the device if you used it directly under gNewSense since
> the needed firmware might have long gone. This is a point that you have to
> check anyway.
>
> So, either you buy another RaLink product whose chipset has a free firmware
> or you follow some howtos to get both the driver and the non-free firmware
> installed on your system. I hope you don't take the latter.
>
>> --
>> Saludos/Greetings
>> Quiliro Ordóñez
>> 593(02)340 1517 / 593(09)821 8696
>> http://quiliro.wordpress.com
>> Artículos recientes:
>> - Por que aceptar derechos de autor y patentes si no
>> tenemos ninguna?
>
> Best regards,
> Eus (FSF member #4445)
>
> In this digital era, where computing technology is pervasive,
> your freedom depends on the software controlling those computing devices.
>
> Join free software movement today!
> It is free as in freedom, not as in free beer!
>
> Join: http://www.fsf.org/jf?referrer=4445
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:22:02 +0100
> From: Graziano Sorbaioli <address@hidden>
> Subject: Re: [gNewSense-users] restructuring the website
> To: gNewSense Users <address@hidden>
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> Benedikt Ahrens wrote:
>> thanks for the link. this was before i subscribed to the mailing list.
>> seems like people are either too busy or not interested in changing
>> the web page, since nobody joins in the discussion.
>
>
> I'm sorry Ben, I would like to answer your previous email but I didn't
> find time so I'll do it now.
>
> I agree with you that there is a need to change the structure of the
> main page because some important pages are difficult to reach.
>
> I read the structure proposed by Karl and your one.
> I merged your ideas with mines and here is the result:
>
> Translations (ON THE RIGHT SIDE of the screen just as: www.fsfeurope.org)
>
>
> About gNewSense
>         Features
>         FAQ
>         Software
>                 Repos
>                 Releases
>                 LiveCD
>
>
>
> Download
>       gnewsense
>       builder
>
>
>
> Documentation (for gNewSense only)
>                 Getting Started
>               Manuals & HowTos
>               The Builder documentation
>
>
> Recommended Hardware (too important, it should be listed alone)
>
> Contact (single page with mailing lists, irc, forum)
>
> Help us (projects, freedom verification, translations)
>
>
>
> I prefer ah horizontal menu because it looks more modern to me.
>
> What do you think?
>
> - --
> Graziano Sorbaioli -- www.sorbaioli.org
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