Re: [O] Citations, continued

[Rasmus]

Nicolas Goaziou <address@hidden> writes:

>> So, the (opinionated) useful defaults in biblatex are:
>>     cite(s), parencite(s), footcite(s), texcite(s), fullcite,
>>     footfullcite, nocite
>
> Isn't footcite/footfullcite a choice made at the document's level
> instead of per citation? If that's the case, it could go in a keyword,
> e.g.,
>
>   #+LATEX_CITATION: :style footcite

I guess you'd distinguish between fullcite and footfullcite then?  I have
only ever used fullcite for illustrative purposes, e.g. demonstrating the
citation style.  And I guess footcite is an alternative to
{textcite, parencite}.

>> Citation types for extracting parts:
>>      citeauthor, citetitle, citeyear, citedate, citeurl,
>
> Can't this be attached to the key, as a filter?

Do you mean an ox-filter here or the slash "/"?  It's more complex and but
probably also prettier.  "address@hidden/author]" looks nice.  I haven't seen 
"/" in
bibtex keys.

In any case, an ox-filter is no good.  You sometimes need it for
constructing sentences, e.g. I like to keep out the year when it's obvious
to ease reading::

    A (Y) showed foo.  Note that A assumed that ...

> Then what about
>
>   [cite:command: common pre; pre1 @key1 post1; ... ; common post]

Could work.

> where command is anything matching is constituted of alphanumeric
> characters only (this is just a guess, a proper regexp is yet to be
> determined).
>
> LaTeX back-end will see "command" and less advanced back-ends "cite", so
> that the same document can be exported through multiple back-ends.

OK.  But what if I want to use, say, my "genitive" citation, "A's (Y)", in
html?  This is perhaps a question of whether we'll manage to find a tool
to handle this for us, or we'll have to do it lisp.

> However, this syntax doesn't handle in-text citation for other back-ends
> than LaTeX. Hence the address@hidden post] proposal, or even @key [post], 
> which
> I find more elegant than
>
>   [citet: ...] / [citep: ...]

So address@hidden post] is equivalent to [cite:default_command: @key post].  
Does
it scale to an arbitrary length of keys, e.g. address@hidden post1; ⋯; @kN 
postN]?
Could [@: pre1 @k1 post1; ⋯; preN @kN postN] be used if you need prenotes?
Or only [cite:⋯].  

Would you "expand" all short citations in the early ox parsing?

I don't care for "@key [post]"

>> The default bibtex.el style generates keys like "%A%y:%t", so I think ":"
>> is no good, appealing as it is.
>
> Then "/" (filter) or "|" (pipe).

Why do you write "filter" after the slash?  Am I supposed to think about
ox-filters?
 
—Rasmus

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