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Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges
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Rainer Stengele |
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Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges |
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Sun, 24 Apr 2011 23:48:59 +0200 |
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Am 24.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Carsten Dominik:
> On 13.4.2011, at 23:06, Bernt Hansen wrote:
>
>> Paul Mead <address@hidden> writes:
>>
>>> Rainer Stengele <address@hidden> writes:
>>>
>>>> I do clock every task I work on during the whole day.
>>>> At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my
>>>> agenda
>>>> and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables.
>>>> If yes I have to adjust the clocks.
>>>>
>>>> I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks
>>>> (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking).
>>>>
>>>> What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over
>>>> the day while being in the agenda with log mode on?
>>>>
>>>> The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate
>>>> these
>>>> or jump to these.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly
>>>> regular holes in the ranges, for example
>>>>
>>>> - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00]
>>>> - week end days (maybe with diary syntax)
>>>> - working days (Monday to Friday for example)
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> -- Rainer
>>> I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as
>>> they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely
>>> for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a
>>> while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important
>>> for me.
>>>
>>> Paul
>> Hi Rainer and Paul,
>>
>> Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this
>> but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup
>> I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do
>> manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual
>> scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring
>> that the start and end times match over the clocking period.
>>
>> It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered
>> agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries
>> that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you
>> look at the entire clocking data.
>>
>> The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and
>> never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and
>> without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the
>> invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I
>> now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the
>> data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time.
>>
>> Maybe something like the following mock up?
>>
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> Day-agenda (W15):
>> Wednesday 13 April 2011
>> todo: 7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization
>> :PERSONAL::
>> 7:11- 8:00 - Gap -> (0:49)
>> org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug
>> :ORG:WORK:tuning::
>> todo: 8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization
>> :PERSONAL::
>> diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast
>> todo: 9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A
>> :PERSONAL::
>> 9:30-10:58 - Gap -> (1:28)
>> 10:00...... ----------------
>> todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization
>> :PERSONAL::
>> vvv ------ Overlap ------ vvv
>> todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News
>> :PERSONAL::
>> todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization
>> :PERSONAL::
>> ^^^ ------ Overlap ------ ^^^
>> todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News
>> :PERSONAL::
>> todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization
>> :PERSONAL::
>> 12:00...... ----------------
>> 14:00...... ----------------
>> 16:00...... ----------------
>> 11:16-16:33 - Gap -> (5:17)
>> todo: 16:33...... Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News
>> :PERSONAL::
>> 16:43...... now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> -
>> 18:00...... ----------------
>> 20:00...... ----------------
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> Hi Bernt, Rainer, Paul,
>
> these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time,
> so I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master.
>
> This introduces a new key in the agenda, "v c", which will check for
> clocking issues and display them in a similar way as Bernt proposes.
>
> The whole thing works like log view, so it applies to the currently
> displayed span in the agenda, and it sticks if you move around
> with "f" and "b". To get out of this view, press "l" to turn off
> log view, for example.
>
> Also, it is a special log view in that it only shows clocking
> information, I believe this makes it more direct and useful.
>
> There is a variable to configure what constitutes clocking issues.
> The default value is
>
> (setq org-agenda-clock-consistency-checks
> '(:max-duration "10:00" :min-duration 0 :max-gap "0:05" :gap-ok-around
> ("4:00")))
>
> which means the following:
>
> 1. Report any clocking chunks that are longer than 10 hours,
> 2. Report clocking chunks that are shorter than 0 minutes
> (so this could be used to find short clocks, by setting it
> to one minute or so)
> 3. Report gaps in the clocking, if the gap is larger than 5 minutes
> (should than be called :min-gap? I am confused....)
> 4. If the time 4am falls into a large gap, do not report the gap.
> This is to avoid the spurious reporting of gaps between the
> last evening task and the first morning task.
>
>
> Testing and feedback would be much appreciated.
> Also, it is not really useful to use this on a filtered agenda view,
> but testing of this would be appreciated as well.
>
> Happy holidays!
>
> - Carsten
>
Hi Carsten,
excellent, I already found some gaps and overlaps in last weeks work
clockings!
1. I wonder how to get rif of the lunch break "gaps". Of course I could
clock the lunch time as such,
but I would prefer to provide my daily fixed lunch time in order to
- ignore any gap occuring between start and end of "lunch time"
OK I just set
:gap-ok-around ("4:00" "12:30")
which did what I wanted. But imagine I would have my lunch break from 12:31 to
12:55. The break would be reported as gap.
I would rather have a clock range wherein anay gap would be ignored.
Did I understand something wrong?
2. Maybe the fonts or the indicating strings for "gap" and "overlap" could be
made configurable?
I would try to make these two look differently.
Thanks again! Marvelous!
I will use the function daily or at least weekly!
- Rainer
- [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges, Rainer Stengele, 2011/04/13
- Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges, Paul Mead, 2011/04/13
- Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges, Bernt Hansen, 2011/04/13
- Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges, Paul Mead, 2011/04/14
- Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges, Rainer Stengele, 2011/04/14
- Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges, Carsten Dominik, 2011/04/24
- Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges,
Rainer Stengele <=
- Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges, Carsten Dominik, 2011/04/24
- Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges, Carsten Dominik, 2011/04/27
- Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges, Bernt Hansen, 2011/04/24
- Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges, Sébastien Vauban, 2011/04/27
Re: [O] Display missing/overlapping clock ranges, Rainer Stengele, 2011/04/19