Re: [Orgmode] Re: Update on Org-mode clone in Vim

[Carsten Dominik]

On Nov 29, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Matt Lundin wrote:

> Herbert Sitz <address@hidden> writes:
>
> > Matt Lundin <mdl <at> imapmail.org> writes:
> > > I'm curious to see how hyperlinks and capture might work in a vim
> > > environment. Being able to call org-capture from anywhere in my  
> > > Emacs
> > > ecosystem (or should I say operating system) has spoiled me. :)
> >
> > Matt -- Regarding the hyperlinks there's a Vim plugin that already
> > seems to have pretty complete hyperlinking functionality.  Just put
> > it in your plugin folder and you're good to go with it.  You
> > can find it here:
> >
> > http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=293
> >
> > I haven't done any checking to see what needs to be done to make
> > it compatible with Org-mode hyperlinking markup.  I don't think it
> > should be too bad.
>
> The syntax does indeed seem similar at points:
>
> http://mars.iti.pk.edu.pl/doc/vim-scripts/html/plugin_utl.vim.html
>
> > At least before 'conceal text' was available in Vim73 I don't
> > think there's any good way to hide link details and have just
> > the link text appear in the document.  I haven't used Vim73
> > or looked at conceal text much, but it seems that feature
> > might make it possible to closely replicate the way
> > Emacs does things.  I'd be happy to hear suggestions from
> > people who know more about this. . .
>
> This is a very interesting development in Vim. I remember that the
> ability to hide text (in Org-mode and auctex) was one of the things  
> that
> drew me to Emacs in the first place.
>
> > I think there are some other existing Vim plugins that can
> > be made use of.  There's a footnoting plugin that I want
> > to look into adopting at some point.
> >
> > Also, I have done
> > nothing at all to implement any of Org's table editing
> > functionality.  This is pretty much independent of Org
> > itself, and I was hoping there was an existing Vim plugin
> > that would be somewhere along lines of what's in Org,
> > but I haven't found anything close yet.
>
> I'd agree. I remember wishing for a self-aligning table editor in Vim
> (let alone a spreadsheet). Then again, it took Carsten's genius to  
> bring
> that particular bit of magic to Emacs, so who knows what is possible  
> in
> Vim. The Vim/Unix philosophy (which I admire just as much as I admire
> the all-in-one "second OS" philosophy behind Emacs) seems to be that
> such things are better handled by external programs

This reminds me:  Almost 10 years ago, I did write such
a tool for table formatting:

http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/tfmt/index.html

The man page even mentions that it can be used as a filter for
vi and Emacs.  And it implements computations of columns using
Perl syntax :)

- Carsten




> and that scripting
> and integration should take place in the shell, not the editor.[1] All
> of which makes an Org-mode clone in Vim a particularly impressive
> accomplishment!
>
> Thanks again. I look forward to following your progress.
>
> Best,
> Matt
>
> Footnotes:
> [1] And why not enjoy the best of both worlds, right?
>
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- Carsten