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Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with co


From: Dmitry Gutov
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:02:21 +0000
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On 12/3/17 12:18 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

That would potentially solve some percentage of the problems with
MMM support.  But what about the rest?

They would clearly need other work doing on them.  Richard suggested
building something similar to narrowing for the excusive use of MMM.

This sounds fairly different from your islands proposal. And the notion that you've already described a full solution, and was only waiting for approval.

Standards are created by like-minded experts coming together, thrashing
things out, and finally agreeing on some reasonable set of compromises;
not by a lone hacker, no matter how expert, throwing something together
in his bedroom.

That's very debatable. Most good standards come from working experience, and usually some working product (or a codebase).

A lot of standards that start in a meeting room don't leave one. Just look at the multitude of discussions here that don't move anywhere. Also see "design by committee".

Discussion is important, of course, but it has to be constructive from all sides.

It may be possible to rebuild CC Mode to conform to this "standard", but
it would be a lot of work, the "standard" would need enhancements[*], CC
Mode would run more slowly, and its users wouldn't see any benefit.

Would you like to provide a benchmark that Stefan could try and see if the syntax-ppss based code indeed runs "more slowly"?

Anyway, this seems irrelevant to this discussion.



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