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Re: Git mirrors
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
Re: Git mirrors |
Date: |
Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:02:15 -0400 |
> From: Óscar Fuentes <address@hidden>
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:56:26 +0200
>
> Eli Zaretskii <address@hidden> writes:
>
> >> The decision on Bzr was political, not technical
> >
> > Yes, it was. So was the decision to develop GNU Emacs, GCC, and the
> > whole GNU Project. And your point is?
>
> You are comparing apples to oranges. Emacs and GCC came into being
> because there was no available options that were Free and
> cooperative. Or else a decission to create a flagship for Free Software
> was taken. That does not fit the bzr case at all.
Sorry, I don't see the difference. My point is that political
decisions are not necessarily bogus just _because_ they are political.
> > I think it would benefit the GNU Emacs project, the Emacs developers and
> > maintainers, and the Emacs community as a whole if there was an official
> > read-only Git mirror of the Emacs repository that was updated with every
> > Bazaar push.
>
> I just want to make the point that since Bazaar is a GNU project, IMO
> this would not benefit the GNU project as a whole. (I'm not saying don't
> do it, just making a point.)
>
> That's my response too.
These are not objections. Objection would be to say "no, don't do
this because I object". Glenn said explicitly "I'm not saying don't
do it".
> > Objections _are_ made to force the Emacs project to do this work for
> > you,
>
> No. There are people who are volunteering:
>
> <quote>
>
> > Trying to be constructive about this, this would be helpful, but presumably
> > a fully automatic sync is not possible, or someone would have done it by
> > now.
Then there's nothing to argue about, is there? You don't actually
need to force people to agree with you, do you? It is good enough to
have a reliable git mirror, isn't it?
Or is this a "political" dispute?
> I have my own fully-automated sync happening here on my own machine, using
> git-bzr and bzr-fast-import, so I can't imagine it would be any harder for a
> server to do.
I guess volunteers still have to do something, then.
> > If someone can do it, please work to get it done on Savannah so that we
> > never have to have this discussion again.
>
> Give me ssh access and I'll do it.
Ask someone who can do it, like savannah admins. I don't have such an
access myself.
> > when in fact the Emacs project already provides a reasonable
> > solution for distributed development and contribution to the project.
>
> "Reasonable" is your opinion. Certainly it works, but it is a PITA to
> use for some of us.
It is PITA for me to use git, but I don't run back crying to the
projects who use it, and don't spread FUD about git, which I consider
a very good tool.
> > Let me turn the table and ask you: are you aware of any significant
> > number of projects that use git and provide a bzr gateway for those
> > who want that? I have yet to see such a project.
>
> I was involved on projects that were perfectly fine with providing bzr
> access at the request of users.
So we have one such project. Or rather _had_ one such project. Not a
lot to go by, I'd say.
> Please let's drop this argument.
Feel free.
> >> What I'm saying is that that does not send a friendly signal to
> >> other Free Software projects and representing GNU as an unfriendly
> >> competitor of other Free tools harms the cause of Free Software.
> >
> > I fail to see how this interpretation can be gleaned from what's been
> > said here. Projects that use git as their VCS are not being accused
> > of being "unfriendly competitors" to the GNU Project, and I, for one,
> > don't think they are. So what you say is simply unfair. I hope
> > fairness is still a virtue around here.
>
> You are completely dismissing history.
I'm not interested in history in this thread. This thread is about
using the Emacs repository _now_. Whatever problems were in the past,
they cannot possibly affect the efficiency of accessing the repository
from now on.
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- Re: Git mirrors, Eli Zaretskii, 2011/10/12
- Re: Git mirrors, Óscar Fuentes, 2011/10/12
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