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From: | Ben Wing |
Subject: | Re: C-l while in menu? |
Date: | Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:32:31 -0700 |
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what i meant to say [more nicely!] was that although we certainly should provide f10 as a way to get to the menus, most of the world uses accelerators as the standard way of getting to menus, and with sufficiently clever design [a la what i've done in xemacs], you can use accelerators with only one meta key and without interfering with the other uses of meta. it's much better to make accelerators work seamlessly than do them in a clumsy fashion and *require* that f10 be used to get to the menus -- it should be a backup.
btw i checked it out on windows, and most programs do indeed let you get to the menus using f10 as well as accelerators. the one exception is VC++ -- the program that we should probably take as our first point of reference when updating the GUI. VC++ uses f10 for "next instruction" [single step but not into function calls]. my own personal bindings use F10 as Undo, and I use the accelerators [with only one META key, i.e. accelerators and M-foo are multiplexed] all the time in XEmacs, and i have very few problems with it.
ben Pavel Janík wrote:
From: Ben Wing <address@hidden> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 06:04:52 -0700 Ben, Stefan, > >> I think it is very easy. We should use F10, and invent new variable > >> f10-should-use-tmm (this is only idea to exactly describe its meaning...) > >> defaulting to nil. [...] > -- if you have an alt key separate from meta, you can use it for menu > accelerators. I was not talking about accelerators. I know how to use them in XEmacs. But I do not know if there is a key binding to pop-up the first menu in the menubar. We would like Emacs to be compatible if XEmacs if it has that feature. I do not use XEmacs so I'm asking: does XEmacs have that feature? If so, what is the keybinding? As Eli said: keyboard controlling menu is useless if you do not have a way to enter menubar. Accelerators is one way, but I'm looking for the second one right now. [...] Due to this misunderstanding I ignored the rest of your e-mail.
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