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Subject: [debbugs-tracker] bug#12943: closed (24.2.50; switch to help buffer with > 3-window-split)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 10:55:03 +0000

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--- Begin Message --- Subject: 24.2.50; switch to help buffer with > 3-window-split Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:42:33 +0100
Hi, 

If I have only one window in a frame. C-h v ... RET opens a help buffer, 
but does not switch to it.  Same with 2 windows in a frame.

If I have a 3-window-split, C-h v ... RET pops to the help buffer. This
is a bit annoying and might be indicative of some more severe underlying
problem.

I hope this is not an intended behavior.

Thanks.


In GNU Emacs 24.2.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.13)
 of 2012-11-15 on vitoshka-home
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11300000
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C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-n C-n C-n C-n 
C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n M-g <return> C-x C-g 
C-h v <return> C-h v b i <return> C-x 3 C-h v <return> 
q C-o q M-x e m a c C-SPC b u g <return>

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--- Begin Message --- Subject: Re: bug#12943: 24.2.50; switch to help buffer with > 3-window-split Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2014 11:54:28 +0100
>    >> If I have only one window in a frame. C-h v ... RET opens a help 
buffer, but
>    >> does not switch to it.  Same with 2 windows in a frame.
>    >>
>    >> If I have a 3-window-split, C-h v ... RET pops to the help buffer. This
>    >> is a bit annoying and might be indicative of some more severe underlying
>    >> problem.
>    >>
>    >> I hope this is not an intended behavior.
>
>    > See bug#11039.
>
> Hm, the default 'other of help-window-select is inconsistent and aims a
> very specific user pattern.
>
>     From http://debbugs.gnu.org/db/11/11039.html:
>
>     martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at> writes:
>
>     > When the help window is one out of three windows on a frame and you do
>     > _not_ select it, it's quite difficult to restore the state of the frame
>     > before showing help.  You would have to (1) manually switch to the help
>     > window, (2) type "q" in it, and maybe (3) switch back to the previously
>     > selected window.  If, however, you _do_ select the help window, you can
>     > simply type "q" in it and get back the old state of affairs.
>
>
> I might want to keep the help window open for long and keep working on
> my code while referencing the help. This is my 99% usage pattern.
>
> Now, when I open the help buffer I have to switch back to my working
> window all the way back through 3 other windows. Awful.

The default value of `help-window-select' is now nil on master/trunk.
Closing this bug.

Thanks, martin


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