Re: Plans for ahead

[ChanMaxthon]

I would suggest this: take the difference of OS X 10.0 and NeXTSTEP 3.5, and 
reverse this patch using the look and feel of OS X 10.11 as the starting point.

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> On Dec 4, 2015, at 13:00, Gregory Casamento <greg.casamento@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Liam,
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Liam Proven <lproven@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 29 November 2015 at 22:51, Riccardo Mottola
>> <riccardo.mottola@libero.it> wrote:
>>> I agree on that statement! the problem is that the whole thread here shows
>>> that nobody here agrees with the other one on how to improve it. Some say
>>> look, some say application, some say configuration tools, some want this,
>>> that, whatever.
> 
> Actually, I think Riccardo's assertion is utterly wrong and foments
> confusion.   I don't think there's much disagreement on many of the
> points which were raised.
> 
>> And that is the key thing.
>> 
>> If we can get more exposure for GNUstep, get it in front of more
>> people, get it better known, then it will get more interest, more code
>> contributions, more development.
>> 
>> I don't want to change it. Improve it, yes. Change it, no.
>> 
>> I am not a programmer. I am not at all interested in the programming
>> tools or the use of GNUstep as a framework. That is for others who
>> know and care about such things.
>> 
>> I'm in part interested in it because it looks like NeXTstep, and I
>> think NeXTstep is the best-looking desktop there has ever been. So I
>> am strongly opposed to those who want new themes: I think it already
>> is nearly perfect and all the alternative themes are less attractive,
>> to me.
> 
> GNUstep's NeXT look and roots will never disappear, ever.   What I am
> advocating is a better, redesigned and improved look for GNUstep.
> I'm thinking something like NeXT would have done today.   I believe
> that conveys the meaning.
> 
>> What I suggest is just getting it running well on Ubuntu. I'm not
>> really interested in Debian or any other distros, and less interested
>> in other OSes. Not that I do not want it to work on them -- I very
>> much do -- but I like and favour Ubuntu.
>> 
>> I want to make an Ubuntu GNUstep remix. Not a live CD -- there is less
>> need for those now that we have VMs.
>> 
>> I do have a Raspberry Pi; I run RISC OS on it. I am not remotely
>> interested in PiStep, or NeXT-shaped Pi cases. Frankly they sound
>> silly to me. As a GNU project, a kickstarter seems strange and
>> irrelevant to me, but hey, people need paying for their efforts. I am
>> not interested in running GNUstep on $DISTRO on Raspberry Pi, because
>> my Pi is the least powerful, least capable modern computer I own;
>> everything else is faster, has more storage, is more expandable, etc.
> 
> I think piOS is interesting because it uses GNUstep and we have a
> group of people who are genuinely interested in helping to make things
> using our stuff.   Beggars cannot be choosers.
> 
>> But Debian/Ubuntu packages -- better still, upstream inclusion --
>> would help everyone, whether they want "modern" themes or better dev
>> tools or desktops for tiny cheap computers. Even if you don't use
>> Debian/Ubuntu or even Linux at all, more users and more developers
>> would be good for the project.
>> 
>> 
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