Re: Plans for ahead

[James Carthew]

For me, it's not so much appearance, more functionality. If GNUstep is offering windows/macintosh/next menu styles. Then the window manager should support each of those styles fully. By only supporting NEXT style menus, window maker is forcing you into one paradigm, when GNUstep itself doesn't. Window Maker also doesn't use GNUstep themes or code, so the UI for it feels off...

On 3 December 2015 at 18:44, H. Nikolaus Schaller <hns@goldelico.com> wrote:

Am 03.12.2015 um 16:16 schrieb Gregory Casamento <greg.casamento@gmail.com>:

> Additionally, we have fine development apps and the beginnings of the
> other things.  I also have some pretty good ideas about how to
> implement a browser and browser framework.

just for the records because it might look like a green field:

we have a browser and a browser framework for quite a while.

But currently nobody is working on them:

http://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/showdetail.php?app=8
http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/SimpleWebKit

BR,
Nikolaus

>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Gregory Casamento
> <greg.casamento@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tito,
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Tito Mari Francis Escaño
>> <titomarifrancis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Based on the flow of the thread, the discussion is basically going around:
>>> 1. Usability
>>> 2. Themability
>>> 3. More applications
>>>
>>> For usability, I would like to raise my question: what's with Etoile?
>>> Is it already dead? I think there were many advances made within
>>> Etoile that would be very valuable to the GNUstep system. I think the
>>> usability issue is more around the user perception of the window
>>> manager. If anybody wants to replace it, I suggest the look and feel
>>> of the classic Mac and BeOS.
>>
>> Etoile isn't dead, see David's answer.   But on this point I would
>> like to add that I believe that GNUstep needs a dedicated desktop
>> project.  Whether this is part of GNUstep itself or not.  It needs to
>> be an official desktop.
>>
>>> On themability, I think the look and feel of GNUstep is what makes
>>> GNUstep what it is, hate it or love it. I think the problem is more on
>>> having a desktop environment with more GNUstep-native applications,
>>> including but not limited to web browser, office suite and development
>>> tools.
>>
>> Heh.  GNUstep's look is UGLY.   The fact that I was a developer on
>> NeXT machines 20 years ago and that I am the maintainer should add
>> some weight to my opinion.  People are turned off by the default look
>> of the framework out of the box.  Period.   As for a desktop
>> environment, I answered that above.   Apps will come if we make our
>> framework attractive and enticing enough for people to actually want
>> to use it.  Yes, we have to have enough apps to attract users as well,
>> so it's a circular relationship, but thus far the ugly out of the box
>> look has done nothing but bring us grief.
>>
>>> On having more applications, I think the core and support libraries
>>> should be guaranteed stable and mature APIs. The Etoile-provided
>>> reference applications are awesome and would highlight the power and
>>> flexibility of the core GNUstep that can only be envied by other
>>> desktop environments.
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:47 PM, James Carthew <jcarthew@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Window maker doesn't play well with GNUstep...It only works if you want to
>>>> use GNUstep as a Next desktop environment. When running with Windows
>>>> menustyle or Macintosh menustyle it's completely broken. GNUstep needs a
>>>> GNUstep window manager which will allow you to switch between those menu
>>>> styles in a sane and consistent manner.
>>>>
>>>> On 2 December 2015 at 23:42, Svetlana A. Tkachenko
>>>> <svetlana@members.fsf.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Window maker sucks, it does not play nice with gnome/kde apps, its too
>>>>>> outdated I guess it does not follow the open desktop standards..
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not know about standards, but wmaker has been the nicest window
>>>>> manager I used thus far. I do not want to put effort into changing it
>>>>> just for the sake of singing along with gnome or kde nicely. I wrote a
>>>>> new thread on this list about this question.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Svetlana A. Tkachenko
>>>>> Member of the Free Software Foundation
>>>>> www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org www.freenode.net
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