Re: elementary OS

[Gregory Casamento]

James,

GNUstep is used for day to day development by a number of companies and has been in active development for many years now.

While I understand your ire, it is unjustified and your tone on this mailing list is trollbait and unacceptable.

So, I hope you'll fully understand when I say that I'm banning you from it.

Thanks, GC

On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 2:41 PM, James Jordan <jjordanthesailor@gmail.com> wrote:

This discussion would be absolutely hilarious if it were not so sad.  To call elementaryOS a rip-off of OS x is a bit of the pot calling the kettle, GNUstep started life as an almost pixel-for-pixel copy of NeXTStep 4.2.  elementaryOS is a very usable and viable operating system which is also easy to extend and customize. It has quickly become my choice of OS, as I would much rather build up to my desired state than need to remove a bunch of useless resource hogging garbage.  It is well thought out and extremely attractive in its default incarnation.   The way an operating system looks is important to me or I would never have had an interest in GNUstep.  I have 4 Mac computers and all but one of them are running elementaryOS, with best-of-class software including LibreOffice, FireFox, Gimp and Acrobat.  The systems boot in 15 seconds and each of those rather large programs starts in 2 seconds or less.  I have a wide selection of Gnome and GTK applications to choose from that are actually USABLE.  

GNUstep is not an OS, it is not even a desktop!  GNUstep is a nearly useless framework that NO-ONE uses for productive work on a day-to-day basis.  The developers dedicate their time to developing new back-ends (what is it now 5 or 6, none of which actually work well), and chasing esoteric OS X capabilities which invariably break the few, very few, GNUstep applications that almost work.  Look through the archives; time and again the "developers" admit that they DO NOT use GNUstep for anything except possibly developing GNUstep.  

A new look for the website is NOT going to make any difference!  GNUstep is dead and has been for a very long time.  Who is going to load a massive set of libraries that do not even conform to modern filesystem standards, try to figure out how to source an environment, locate some applications  pretending to be folders in /opt/GNUstep/system/applications (or wherever they are located)  just to play with a couple of programs that halfway work.

Riccardo, Phillipe you guys have worked hard to make GNUstep actually usable!  You both should find a project where your talents and hard work can be appreciated, a project that has a user base bigger than ZERO.

GNUstep could have been THE Linux desktop and should be the alternative to OS X for people who actually have a brain but it has been chasing its own tail for so long (nearly 20 years now) there is no hope that it will ever amount to anything.  Users have GOT to drive application development and application development has GOT to drive core development.  That does not work for GNUstep because there are no users and core developers have always tried to force application developers to adjust to their whims resulting in all of the good application developers giving up and moving on.

Goodbye GNUstep, you could have been great.

J. Jordan

Long time hopeful that GNUstep would amount to something.

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