Re: Kickstarter was not successful... but it did help things...

[Doc O'Leary]

In article <mailman.9608.1387390854.10748.discuss-gnustep@gnu.org>,
 Ivan Vuãica <ivucica@gmail.com> wrote:

> Doc,
> 
> I would certainly love GNUstep to capitalise on popularity of UIKit.
> 
> Please contribute your implementation of all required technologies.

Ivan,

I would certainly love GNUstep to capitalize on my technical abilities.

Please contribute your evidence that the leadership is receptive to such 
efforts.

Because what I see is juvenile dismissals of even the most minor 
suggestions for web site updates.

> Please contribute more code and less words.

My experience with projects, paid and unpaid, is that crapping out code 
is wasted effort unless the "words" have set people in the right 
direction.  I can't help it if my words are not what you want to hear, 
but my approach is reality-based and you ignore reality at your own 
expense.

> Please contribute more documentation and tutorials and less rants.

Please give me reason to believe that such things will actually be used 
rather than discarded into the bitbucket.  You'll find I rant less when 
the GNUstep community decides it is open to actually discussing its 
mission statement.

> Because I can rant all day, as people who were at Cambridge dev meeting
> 2013 can attest to. That has only limited impact.

And that is the heart of the problem.  You shouldn't *have* to rant.  
Neither should I.  If good ideas are being rejected from the get-go, I'm 
going to go where they're appreciated *first* before I implement them.  
Most smart people would do the same.

> Code that does not damage
> existing ecosystem and instead advances it and expands the ecosystem has
> real impact.
> 
> And if you can't code, pay someone who can.

I was coding before you were born.  My first release of GNUstep-based 
software (agentd) was in 1996.  But go ahead and presume you can tell me 
what's what.

And this is the saddest part of what remains of the GNUstep community.  
You'd rather start a fight than take a step back and figure out what is 
wrong and how to make it right.  You dredge up a long-dead post not to 
say "Yeah, let's make some major changes!", but to hunker down and 
justify why such issues are killed before they are fixed.

So, like I have said from the beginning, if the leadership actually 
wants to *discuss* a roadmap that brings GNUstep forward to where the 
greater ObjC/Cocoa community is in 2013, I'm all for that.  If they're 
just going to be hostile and pretend that *I* am the problem, my 
contributions will remain minimal.

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