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Re: Gnustep Window Manager


From: David Chisnall
Subject: Re: Gnustep Window Manager
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:52:04 -0400

Hi James,

Since you're already aware of Étoilé, don't forget that we have ProjectManager 
in subversion, which is an unfinished window manager that intends to be 
visually minimalist.

David

On 19 Mar 2013, at 16:27, James Carthew <jcarthew@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's things like X11 applications being allowed to be dragged over the 
> menubar (stopping this from happening), certain menu behaviour that I've 
> noticed in Window Maker, inconsistency in Window Maker's right click menus 
> when used with themes in GNUstep, a system preferences panel etc. mainly 
> aesthetic issues etc. Mainly a way to detect the menu location and stopping 
> other apps from writing over it. Admittedly a way to handle non gnustep 
> applications so they get a macintosh style menu would be nice, even if it was 
> just having the program name appear on the horizontal menubar at the top of 
> the screen. I'm happy to have a look at coding some of these features. 
> Ideally there would be a web browser to go with this but I would probably 
> just try to resurrect Mantella from Etoile rather than coding the entire 
> webkit engine, as I just don't have the knowledge to complete a project of 
> that size. I'm also trying to rework parts of GSMplayer as I previously 
> worked on gnome-mplayer and with about 5 patches made that project popular 
> (tv tuner support, language/subtitle selection, aspect ratio support etc in 
> the gui). I'd like to get to a point where I can fire up X11/GNUstep and not 
> need third party apps unless I have an unusual task (think gimp/music 
> production etc) since most of my desktop usage is internet browsing, irc, 
> chat and music/videos. 
> 
> 
> On 20 March 2013 06:56, James Carthew <jcarthew@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's things like X11 applications being allowed to be dragged over the 
> menubar (stopping this from happening), certain menu behaviour that I've 
> noticed in Window Maker, inconsistency in Window Maker's right click menus 
> when used with themes in GNUstep, a system preferences panel etc. mainly 
> aesthetic issues etc. Mainly a way to detect the menu location and stopping 
> other apps from writing over it. Admittedly a way to handle non gnustep 
> applications so they get a macintosh style menu would be nice, even if it was 
> just having the program name appear on the horizontal menubar at the top of 
> the screen. I'm happy to have a look at coding some of these features. 
> Ideally there would be a web browser to go with this but I would probably 
> just try to resurrect Mantella from Etoile rather than coding the entire 
> webkit engine, as I just don't have the knowledge to complete a project of 
> that size. I'm also trying to rework parts of GSMplayer as I previously 
> worked on gnome-mplayer and with about 5 patches made that project popular 
> (tv tuner support, language/subtitle selection, aspect ratio support etc in 
> the gui). I'd like to get to a point where I can fire up X11/GNUstep and not 
> need third party apps unless I have an unusual task (think gimp/music 
> production etc) since most of my desktop usage is internet browsing, irc, 
> chat and music/videos. 
> 
> 
> On 20 March 2013 01:44, Riccardo Mottola <riccardo.mottola@libero.it> wrote:
> Hi James,
> 
> 
> On 03/18/13 22:45, James Carthew wrote:
> Hi guys, I'm interested in using GNUstep as a desktop environment and I'd 
> like to make the system a bit more integrated with the window manager etc. 
> I've noticed that there are three ways to use the GUI environment as Windows 
> style, Mac OSX style and as the older NEXT stye, but the Window managers 
> available only seem to cater for the Windows or NEXT styles of window 
> management. I'd like to write a newer window manager that handles 
> configuration using the Defaults system and which would support better 
> integration/awareness of the horizontal menu bar when it's enabled. Would 
> anyone else be interested in this project?
> What is exactly your need and your desire? Do you want windowmaker and GS to 
> blend better and what "features" do you need in windowmaker? O do you want GS 
> to blend in environment X, where is is gnome, unity, whatever? Usually those 
> will have their windowmanager.
> 
> Personally I can live quite well with WindowMaker, it is suboptimal, in that 
> it uses WINGs and essentially the only thing I miss would be a preferences 
> app written in GNUstep itself. In al later stage, use GS to "draw" things in 
> windowmaker (like its menus) using GNUste, so that you would end up having 
> only "one" draw code, thus that colors, fonts and themes would apply 
> altogether.
> But I put these projects in the "low priority" list for now.
> 
> I may ad also that GS could do almost without windowmanager, the support it 
> needs is very minimal: it can draw its own window decorations. It needs 
> support in  X11 for window ordering, events, focus. But you still want to 
> have a "full" windowmanager otherwise you could not have other applications 
> running along (e.g. Firefox)
> 
> Riccardo
> 
> 
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