Re: Cocotron

[Gregory John Casamento]

Yen-Ju,

RFM and I wrote the author and his feeling was that it was mainly the license 
and that he and others felt like GNUstep wasn't meeting the goal that they 
wanted, which was, as Cocotron demonstrates, to be able to cross-compile apps 
from OS X to Windows, Linux or others.   GNUstep currently has a more complete 
implementation of the Cocoa APIs and other APIs, such as EOF, than Cocotron 
does.   GNUstep also has a complete development environment which allows 
developers to develop on GNUstep and port their apps easily to Mac.  There are 
advantages to both projects, and, undoubtedly, things that both can learn from 
the other.

I have no desire, at this moment, to convince the Cocotron guys to join us, I 
just wanted to understand their motivations and foster an atmosphere of 
collaboration.

Competition is a way of life, and it's healthy.   :)
 
Later, GJC

--
Gregory Casamento
## GNUstep Chief Maintainer

----- Original Message ----
From: Yen-Ju Chen <yjchenx@gmail.com>
To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 1:27:42 PM
Subject: Re: Cocotron

On 12/28/06, Gregory John Casamento <greg_casamento@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Nikolaus,
>
> They would be wrong.   GNUstep not an OS.
>
> http://www.gnustep.org/information/aboutGNUstep.html
>

  From a practical point of view, here is my opinions:
  For GUI/AppKit, there is no way to persuade Cocotron to join
  because the approach is quite different.
  And frankly, sometimes it is nice to have two implementation
  so that we can compare the pros and cons and learn from each other.
  Cocotron is under MIT license, which makes it easier for GNUstep to
borrow their codes. :)
  And I do believe that GNUstep has less win32 experts than Cocotron.
  For the Base/Foundation, the priority should be to merge libFoundation first,
  and see whether mySTEP want to joing/use gnustep-base, and then Cocotron.
  So in short, there is no need to concern/worry/persuade Cocotron in
the near future.
  That's is my 2 cents.

  Yen-Ju

> Later, GJC
> --
> Gregory Casamento
> ## GNUstep Chief Maintainer
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "hns@computer.org" <hns@computer.org>
> To: discuss-gnustep@gnu.org
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 8:56:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Cocotron
>
>
> hns@computer.org schrieb:
>
> > In my experience (from other discussuions about GNUstep and even with
> > my mySTEP project), I think the reasons are manifold. What I have
> > collected is:
>
> Another one just appeared in a German Cocoa developer discussion:
>
> * GNUstep is an incomplete operating system and not a GUI framework -
> people simply do not associate "GUI" with "AppKit" and "Base" with
> "Foundation" and therefore not "GNUstep" with "Cocoa".
>
> Nikolaus
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