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Re: GUI without X11 / Artist Help
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M. Uli Kusterer |
Subject: |
Re: GUI without X11 / Artist Help |
Date: |
Sun, 20 Feb 2005 02:43:42 +0100 |
At 10:50 Uhr +0100 18.02.2005, Riccardo wrote:
I like its compactness and find tabs one of the "biggest" controls in aqua.
Are you talking about the old or the new tabs in Aqua? Because the
new ones are about the size of GNUstep's right now. Of course, they
don't look like tabs at all anymore, which is my main gripe these
days.
on the other hand, it is almost impossible to accomodate 800x600
screens like my ibook, to 1152 or 1280 screens and more with one
size. I wouldn't "bother" at the current state of gnustep.
Well, if the cut-off stuff is resolved, and with a PrefPane that
allows specifying some brighter colors, I guess I could live with it.
I'd have to see how the cut-off stuff's been fixed, I guess. I guess
we disagree on this point: At least in the case of tabs, I would call
the compactness crammedness. But then I have a 1024x768 screen, and
that may just be the point at which the advantage in readability
exceeds the disadvantage in unavailable screen real estate. Or maybe
we just have different preferences...
I think "resizeable" widgets should come one day. But I have nevr
seen an OS do it right. MacOS is one extreme: all controls, menu
bars are of a fixed size. WIndows on the other hand makes several
think resizeable. But the effect IMHO is sooooo bad that I would
ignore the issue right now.
Agreed. I've yet to see a resizable implementation that works.
Renaissance is a nice attempt, but it'll still not look as
aesthetically sound as a GUI hand-nudged by someone who knows his
whitespace. But it's much too early for GNUstep to worry about stuff
like that. Renaissance is a great foundation to build on once we have
more apps. And who knows, we may come up with some layout algorithms
that make everything look prettier.
InterfaceBuilder here gives many hooks and places controls of the
correct size and eases the spacing among them. Gorm is nto so
advanced here.
For example when moving more than one control or resizing a window,
I get no guidelines, so it often happens to compact controls and
borders too much...
I'm actually talking less about Gorm doing that. ResEdit in MacOS 9
didn't have *any* guidelines (as in, blue lines that indicate that
you're 6 pixels from a window's edge or so), and still people got
consistent metrics, because Apple's HIG specified them, and
developers (mostly) honored them. Does the GNUstep HIG specify any
metrics?
Does anyone have a URL for the GNUstep (OpenStep?) Human Interface
Guidelines? I couldn't find one in Google.
--
Cheers,
M. Uli Kusterer
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- Re: GUI without X11 / Artist Help, (continued)
Re: GUI without X11 / Artist Help, Olivier Migeot, 2005/02/08
Re: GUI without X11 / Artist Help, Alex Perez, 2005/02/08
Re: GUI without X11 / Artist Help, Uli Kusterer, 2005/02/15