Re: Look and Feel

[Raphael Bosshard]

Jeremy Tregunna wrote:

> On 10-Feb-05, at 2:29 PM, Raphael Bosshard wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > First of all; I would welcome a new icon theme, as I would a new 
> > default look.  I like the OpenStep-Framework and enjoy programming in 
> > Objectiv-C. But it just makes no fun if your applications look like 
> > time-warped from the 80ies.
>
>
> They're not that bad.
No, they are not. I'm exaggerating. But truth is that I don't see any 
differences between the GNUStep version (it was 0.2 something I think) 
that was shipped with my first GNU/Linux CD back in '97. Back than, the 
focus was to recreate OPENStep for Linux. But a lot of things have 
changed since.

I know that GNUStep has the ability to use themes. But what I am talking 
about it the default theme. NO matter how may themes there are; the 
first impression is always the default theme. And the current theme is 
not very impressive.

I'm not saying

> > However; what I really would like to see is the ability to use 
> > already existing icon themes, GNOME icon themes, KDE, whatever. A lot 
> > of work could be saved this way and especially GNOME has some fine 
> > icon themes.
>
>
> We ought to have our own icons, using ones from other projects just 
> doesn't seem write (*waits to be branded as a purist*)
So you are a purist. So what. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. To 
be honest; everyone should forced to have an opinion. But that's another 
discussion. ;)

Yes. GNUStep should have it's own icons. Absolutly. But why catch to 
fishes with one hook? If I could use the same icon themes for GNUStep 
and GNOME/KDE, this would simplify many things. Currently, many icon 
themes for KDE get re-packed for GNOME and vis-versa. Silly.

> > What I also would like to see is some further development in the OS X 
> > direction. OS X is currently considered the most advanced user 
> > interface. It would be no shame to learn from OS X and imitate where 
> > appropriate. The top-screen menubar is one thing but there are other 
> > issues.
>
>
> This is nearly impossible to implement satisfactorily (ie., if the 
> horizontal menu is 20 pixels high, you need to patch the window 
> manager itself to prevent window positions from going into the area 
> the verticle menu occupies). If that's not a big issue for you, and 
> you don't mind occasionally the window's title bar hidden behind the 
> verticle menu, WildMenus will work just fine for you.
I don't think that this is really a problem. Since WindowMaker is going 
to be replaced by a native GNUStep app, everything can be made. Even a 
toaster.. ;) (And the GNOME people with their pseudo-application-menu on 
the top also made it somehow)

> --
> Jeremy Tregunna
> jtregunna@blurgle.ca
Raphael