Re: [GSWHackers] Re: OGo/GNUstep cooperation Re: Re[2]: Frameworks integration

[Manuel Guesdon]

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 02:05:18 +0100 Helge Hess <helge.hess@opengroupware.org> 
wrote:

 >| On 02.03.2004, at 01:11, Manuel Guesdon wrote:

 >| Yes, it was a company decision which isn't worth to be discussed. I 
 >| hope you remember that I explained to you various things on how WO 
 >| worked as well as contributed major parts of your initial 
 >| implementation. 

Major part, really ?


>| Do you still remember who wrote NGAntlr initially? ;-)

Yes, at it is mentionned is the README files.



 >| > Funny note about testing and usability, we have a GNUstepWeb have 
 >| > application which is used by more than 40000 people each month, 
 >| > serving more than 200 000 pages each month for near a year.
 >| 
 >| Yes, you actually have an application, great :-) I have no doubts that 
 >| gstep-web does just fine for your specific case, so do you developer 
 >| gstep-web just for that customer?
 >| NGObjWeb has thousand of installed servers, not just one. 

OK. You have an application on several servers. Well.


 >| > I think Dave have similar exemple.
 >| 
 >| Dave?

David Wetzel


 >| > After reading last messages, I worry about the future of GNUstep 
 >| > project as Helge see it. After years of proprietary development, he 
 >| > sudenly suggest to share things.
 >| 
 >| You are really spreading FUD here. Just take a look in:
 >| 
 >|    ftp://ftp.gnustep.org/pub/gnustep/contrib/
 >| 

Before writing this, I checked contrib, of course, but I was rather thinking 
about really 
integration in gnustep.


 >| Get to the ground and open your eyes.

Thanks.


 >| > But I don't think it's reasonnable
 >| > to say "hey just drop this because we have a better one" without even 
 >| > knowing exactly what we talking about.
 >| 
 >| I know what I'm talking about. While I'm watching gnustep-web the whole 
 >| time, you didn't take a single look at SOPE, 

I've take a look at it.


 >| yet you are claiming that 
 >| I do not know what I'm talking about.

Yes, about gsweb.



 >| In short: the goal of your project isn't WebObjects compatibility, it 
 >| is some other goals you have (but didn't line out). 

Please. I've wrote a lot of things in it I don't use, just to improve 
compatibility but yes, I didn't write a raw HTML parser
because I was preferring using existing parser.


 >| > So, after reading last posts, I'd like to be sure about the direction 
 >| > of projects. If the goal is only to give more mainteners to OOg/Skyrix 
 >| > projects, I don't agree.
 >| 
 >| You make it sound like a one way direction, as if gnustep-web 
 >| participants can't gain anything from SOPE.

At least one other person understanted your message like me. I've never said 
gnustep-web people 
have nothing to gain, I just say that IMHO, direction and goals are/was not 
clear.


 >| So while I'm open to any suggestions, it might be worth to fork a new 
 >| project focusing on a WO clone. 

Great. I prefer this way.


 >| Whether this is named gnustep-web or 
 >| SOPE or xxx - I don't care.

I don't care too much about naming too.


 >| > To summarize, I'm open, I'm happy to see contributions, I'll be happy 
 >| > to merge NGObjWeb and GSWeb but I don't want to see GNUstep projects 
 >| > taking some out of control way and I just can't say to people using 
 >| > gsweb or to my
 >| > customers  "hey, we'll drop  this so you'll have to rewrite and test 
 >| > part of your applications; Are you happy ?".
 >| 
 >| So you are actually more bound to your customers than to providing a 
 >| viable framework. Which is understandable but certainly doesn't match a 
 >| community project like GNUstep very well.

Please stop FUD. I'm not the only one to use gsweb and I just say that people 
who 
have developped applications based on gsweb probably don't want to see it just 
dropped; like you won't just drop NGObjWeb from OOg to replace it by a 
something 
else just next week.


Manuel

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